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From: H-Man on 17 Jun 2010 10:28 On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:58:56 +0000 (UTC), Bear Bottoms wrote: > za kAT <zakAT(a)super-secret-IPaddress.invalid> wrote in > news:hvbpa6$jbe$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: > >> On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 23:45:31 +0000 (UTC), Bear Bottoms wrote: >> >>> za kAT <zakAT(a)super-secret-IPaddress.invalid> wrote in >>> news:hvbksp$4u1$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: >>> >>>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 16:29:51 -0600, H-Man wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 23:00:11 +0100, za kAT wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 21:10:32 +0000 (UTC), Bear Bottoms wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> What's in a Name? <maxpro4u(a)hotmail.com> wrote in >>>>>>> news:20100614144306.7671e424.maxpro4u(a)hotmail.com: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Most users use whatever OS came on their PC. Most PCs come with >>>>>>>> some flavor of windows. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is good reason for that. For the most part when the >>>>>>> Internet took off (even a bit before), there was Windows or Mac >>>>>>> (who was too market dumb to capture the market). Linux wasn't >>>>>>> even born >>>>>> >>>>>> More waffle. When did the Internet take off bumhole? >>>>>> >>>>>> Linus first post was 1991. HTML 1.0 formally published 1993. >>>>>> >>>>>> Windows 3.11 1993. Did that have a browser. I don't remember one. >>>>>> BBS maybe. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you are going to play the elder statesman, at least check your >>>>>> facts. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cretinous. >>>>> >>>>> Spyglass Mosaic was released in '93, and IE1 was released in '95. >>>>> AFAIK, Win3.11 didn't get IE until like '96. Not sure if Mosaic was >>>>> released for Win3 in '93 or if that was later, but I remember >>>>> having internet access for Windows '95 first. That was when dial up >>>>> became affordable in my area. I got Win95 the day after the >>>>> official release. Had a 75MHz pentium machine with 16MB of memory >>>>> and I had to upgrade to a 2MB video card. High tech at the time. >>>>> The really fast machines were 90 or 100MHz machines, man those >>>>> really cooked! ..... >>>>> >>>>> Sorry, kinda went off onto memory lane. I'd say it took off in the >>>>> second half of '95 in my area anyway. If I remember correctly, by >>>>> '96 or '97, I was dual booting a RH linux version with Win95. >>>> >>>> Sounds about right. I had to pull a very old copy of the GNU >>>> testament of the shelf. 1994. I was messing with Win 3.11 and a >>>> Linux [no idea what. I remember something about Walnut Creek?] on a >>>> 486 DX2. I think you are right win 95 was my first Internet >>>> experience, on a P75, but I vaguely remember using a DOS browser >>>> Arachne, shortly before or after, canny remember. >>>> >>>> Not sure you would call that the time the Internet took off though. >>>> It was still pretty geeky. I remember how excited I was the first >>>> time I used a BBS. Funny. >>>> >>> >>> Heh, I had Win 3.0 in 1990. >> >> I woz networking spectrums over RS232 in 84/85'. I woz playing with >> ZX80's and an early MAC before that. I invented the abacus in a >> previous life. What's your point? >> > > My first computer was in 1980. My point is this is memory lane. > Compuserve was my first online service and I moved to Prodigy with > shopping, BBS, some games etc. It's funny to think about those days. Worked on a TRS80 in the early 80s and a VAX and PDP-11 in the early/mid 80s, but my fist PC was compatible XT, 8088-2 proc, a full 640KB ram and a 20MB hard drive. Oh, and a 5 1/4" floppy. Early 1986 as I recall and used DOS 3.0 or DOS 3.3, can't remember now exactly which. Wow, I didn't realize how long I've been at this, and some here were veterans when I started. Amazing! -- HK
From: H-Man on 17 Jun 2010 10:53 On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 13:03:50 +0100, za kAT wrote: >> The market is in desktop computers (PC's) for the desktop OS. Linux has >> failed miserably there. That is where Linux wants to be but can't get. > > What is Linux? I'll have a go at describing what you choose to > misunderstand. Linux isn't a single entity with a desire to conquer the > desktop. It's a loose confederation of thousands of different interests. > It's a big kit. Take from it what you will. Contribute what you will. There > is no common soul that wants to conquer the desktop. There are some parties > who aim to grab a share, and who are doing so for various motives. Some > more altruistic than others. > > You are fixated on the desktop. Many of us are not. Some seem to like it as > a desktop. I don't use it as one, but I do use it and FreeBSD for other > things. This is alt.comp.freeware. I don't see desktop, or windows, or any > other delimiter based on market share that restricts what can be discussed > here in that title. Funny how this always ends up coming back to "Linux wants to own the desktop". Most of the Linux community will tell you it's not a competition. If Linux does not work as an alternative for whoever, this does not make it any less of an alternative for the people who use it every day. I agree with you here 100%, to argue over the merits of the Linux desktop being viable for everyone is ridiculous. Hell, Windows is not a viable desktop for everyone, just ask the Mac guys about this. -- HK
From: Mark Warner on 17 Jun 2010 12:24 H-Man wrote: > > Funny how this always ends up coming back to "Linux wants to own the > desktop". Most of the Linux community will tell you it's not a competition. > > If Linux does not work as an alternative for whoever, this does not make it > any less of an alternative for the people who use it every day. > > I agree with you here 100%, to argue over the merits of the Linux desktop > being viable for everyone is ridiculous. Hell, Windows is not a viable > desktop for everyone, just ask the Mac guys about this. Thank you. I couldn't care less if BB or anyone else uses desktop Linux or not. I just wish he would quit acting like he knows what he's talking about and quit lying about it. In fact, if people quit using Windows, I'd lose out -- I make my pocket money fixing malware infested boxes. -- Mark Warner MEPIS Linux Registered Linux User #415318 ....lose .inhibitions when replying
From: H-Man on 17 Jun 2010 16:31 On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 12:24:10 -0400, Mark Warner wrote: > Thank you. I couldn't care less if BB or anyone else uses desktop Linux > or not. +1 -- HK
From: Mark Warner on 17 Jun 2010 19:13
Bear Bottoms wrote: > Mark Warner wrote: >> >> Thank you. I couldn't care less if BB or anyone else uses desktop >> Linux or not. I just wish he would quit acting like he knows what he's >> talking about and quit lying about it. >> >> In fact, if people quit using Windows, I'd lose out -- I make my >> pocket money fixing malware infested boxes. > > If those people used Linux or Mac's, those would be very likely infected. > I'm sure there is money to be made helping out Linux users. It's just not > as many Linux users availalable to sustain a business. Idiot. -- Mark Warner MEPIS Linux Registered Linux User #415318 ....lose .inhibitions when replying |