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From: richard.townsendrose on 25 Sep 2009 03:53 Doug I had an email from Alwyn - so I have uploaded the aef's and demo data if you wanted to ftp them down. PLEASE email me for the ftp details. He also stated this: "As it happens I never received a penny for my efforts in that book. Sandy Hood managed to avoid paying any royalties. Are you getting involved with Vulcan.NET? I am writing a book about that. HIGHLIGHT.... It's more difficult than the VO book because the language is not really ready for the general developer yet and the help files hardly exist. END HIGHLIGHT But fun trying and a book is very necessary." So that means that I am NOT going to move to Vulcan till the book is ready. Richard
From: Johan Nel on 25 Sep 2009 04:41 Richard, > HIGHLIGHT.... > It's more difficult than the VO book because the language is not > really ready for the general developer yet and the help files hardly > exist. > END HIGHLIGHT > But fun trying and a book is very necessary." > > So that means that I am NOT going to move to Vulcan till the book is > ready. How much documentation do you really want? You have all the VO background that is all you need to get going in Vulcan. Also, it should be put into perspective... .NET is a total new framework, gone are the days that each Language had to create Classes to do EVERYTHING. AFAIAC, any .NET Manual/Helpfile that is more than 5 pages long for that matter is wasting my time. You need to know the basic syntax of the language. For the rest you have the MSDN webpage as your manual/helpfile. Just my 2c worth. Johan Nel Pretoria, South Africa.
From: John Parker on 25 Sep 2009 05:45 Hi Richard, I am sure that the quote is accurate but to make sense out of this statement you need to understand the meaning of his words "general developer". Having had many conversations with Alwyn about the state of our industry and the ability of Microsoft to "de-skill" developers, I don't think he was referring to developers who have been using VO because they need to be so deep in the code that their skill level is more than adequate to use Vulcan.NET. I have seen IT graduates who could not give you the code for the simplest function like counting the number of characters in a string. It is a far cry from the days when I started and it is now so pathetic that most IT diplomas are not worth the paper they are printed on and the graduates are not worth interviewing. SO SAD !!! Enough of me ranting, sorry :-) Talk to you soon, John "richard.townsendrose" <richard.townsendrose(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message news:71dfe327-0806-49ea-b458-fcb555e91dfd(a)g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com... > Doug > > I had an email from Alwyn - so I have uploaded the aef's and demo data > if you wanted to ftp them down. PLEASE email me for the ftp details. > > He also stated this: > "As it happens I never received a penny for my efforts in that book. > Sandy Hood managed to avoid paying any royalties. > > Are you getting involved with Vulcan.NET? I am writing a book about > that. > HIGHLIGHT.... > It's more difficult than the VO book because the language is not > really ready for the general developer yet and the help files hardly > exist. > END HIGHLIGHT > But fun trying and a book is very necessary." > > So that means that I am NOT going to move to Vulcan till the book is > ready. > > Richard
From: Willie Moore on 25 Sep 2009 08:49 Richard, I do use Vulcan for production work. I moved one of my apps over to Vulcan so we could take advantage of all of my business logic from a ASP.NET page. It was easy to move over and it just runs. Regards, Willie ps Before VODC I should have the AWT code that you use moved over to Vulcan. It is on my todo list but I have to finish my VODC papers before I can get back to it. "richard.townsendrose" <richard.townsendrose(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message news:71dfe327-0806-49ea-b458-fcb555e91dfd(a)g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com... > Doug > > I had an email from Alwyn - so I have uploaded the aef's and demo data > if you wanted to ftp them down. PLEASE email me for the ftp details. > > He also stated this: > "As it happens I never received a penny for my efforts in that book. > Sandy Hood managed to avoid paying any royalties. > > Are you getting involved with Vulcan.NET? I am writing a book about > that. > HIGHLIGHT.... > It's more difficult than the VO book because the language is not > really ready for the general developer yet and the help files hardly > exist. > END HIGHLIGHT > But fun trying and a book is very necessary." > > So that means that I am NOT going to move to Vulcan till the book is > ready. > > Richard > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4456 (20090925) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4456 (20090925) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
From: Dave Francis on 25 Sep 2009 10:29
Richard, I've transported our largest app into Vulcan and it just runs - it is, after all, just "VO for DotNet" as opposed to "VO for Win32". From that point of view, any VO book will tell you how to write Vulcan. I can't talk for Alwyn, but I've had a sneak preview at some of Alwyn's book and what he is doing is not simply a Vulcan manual; he's also telling you how to make the most of the move into the greater world of dotnet. I use a lot of Win32 API to paint 3D customer controls; that still work in Vulcan but it's not the dotnet way. The chapter that Alwyn showed me, was describing how to use the dotnet GDI classes to replace the Win32 calls. That's a very ambitious style, and Alwyn's an engineer (just like you), so he's not interested in a bodge. You ought to start dabbling in dotnet. Everyone says the learning curve is not as steep as Dos to Windows, but when you factor in our increased age, I'm not so sure :o) HTH Dave Francis "richard.townsendrose" <richard.townsendrose(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message news:71dfe327-0806-49ea-b458-fcb555e91dfd(a)g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com... > Doug > > I had an email from Alwyn - so I have uploaded the aef's and demo data > if you wanted to ftp them down. PLEASE email me for the ftp details. > > He also stated this: > "As it happens I never received a penny for my efforts in that book. > Sandy Hood managed to avoid paying any royalties. > > Are you getting involved with Vulcan.NET? I am writing a book about > that. > HIGHLIGHT.... > It's more difficult than the VO book because the language is not > really ready for the general developer yet and the help files hardly > exist. > END HIGHLIGHT > But fun trying and a book is very necessary." > > So that means that I am NOT going to move to Vulcan till the book is > ready. > > Richard |