From: richard.townsendrose on
Hi all

I have to agree with the state of IT graduates ... I think that many
of "us lot" like me learned to use pc's in early DOS days. One had to
actually think whuch interrupts were going to be used by which apps
and associated hardware such as autocad and pointing devices .... dos
3.3 was great. and peter norton was the man who unscrambled it all.

early windows was simply unusable for big apps. we used to have a
memory checker running the whole time ... to close things BEFORE the
crash. that was when a table misclosed was usually wrecked.

it is all a bit easier now....

on to Vulcan then ... seems like there IS a need for it, but the
question I ask is what am i going to get that i dont have already.
what is the COMMERCIAL driver ... what is the equation which says for
all the effort i have to put in i am going to get more cash ... to my
mind all spare cash is going into marketing ...

Richard

From: Paul Piko on
Richard,

> on to Vulcan then ... seems like there IS a need for it, but the
> question I ask is what am i going to get that i dont have already.
> what is the COMMERCIAL driver ... what is the equation which says for
> all the effort i have to put in i am going to get more cash ... to my
> mind all spare cash is going into marketing ...

Phil Hepburn recently talked about what he and his clients get out of using
Vulcan: http://www.govulcan.net/userexperiences

Paul


From: Terry Bourne on
Richard

> I ask is what am i going to get that i dont have already.
> what is the COMMERCIAL driver ...

Who knows - but what I would say is that the basic technologies and forging
ahead at an unprecedented rate.

..Net gives the ability to mix and match languages and as a result we could
expect to see Apps developed in Vulcan, say, forming a highly significant
section of future applications meeting a far broader range of requirements
than hitherto.


Also we have an explosion of MultiCore devices on the desk-top - users will
be placing an ever increasing pressure on developers to make positive use of
the power they offer. IMO it will only be those developers that move to dot
Net who will be able to beneficially and commercially exploit the power of
such devices.

Why? Simply because the necessary ease-of-use tooling will become available
in the .Net world.

If you like thinking interrupts - get used to thinking them again! They
haven't gone away.

I am hoping the London and SE VOUG will be able to address much of this in
the future - Why not join us?

Terry

"richard.townsendrose" <richard.townsendrose(a)googlemail.com> wrote in
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> Hi all
>
> I have to agree with the state of IT graduates ... I think that many
> of "us lot" like me learned to use pc's in early DOS days. One had to
> actually think whuch interrupts were going to be used by which apps
> and associated hardware such as autocad and pointing devices .... dos
> 3.3 was great. and peter norton was the man who unscrambled it all.
>
> early windows was simply unusable for big apps. we used to have a
> memory checker running the whole time ... to close things BEFORE the
> crash. that was when a table misclosed was usually wrecked.
>
> it is all a bit easier now....
>
> on to Vulcan then ... seems like there IS a need for it, but the
> question I ask is what am i going to get that i dont have already.
> what is the COMMERCIAL driver ... what is the equation which says for
> all the effort i have to put in i am going to get more cash ... to my
> mind all spare cash is going into marketing ...
>
> Richard
>

From: Chris Pyrgas on

Hi John,

> I have seen IT graduates who could not give you the code for the simplest
> function like counting the number of characters in a string. It is a far
> cry from the days when I started and it is now so pathetic that most IT
> diplomas are not worth the paper they are printed on and the graduates are
> not worth interviewing. SO SAD !!!

I had the impression this was happening only in our part of the world! Nice
to hear we're not alone :-)

cheers,
Chris


From: DougMZA on

Hi All

Thanks for all your input / comments - much appreciated.

Doug.
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