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From: Brad Guth on 21 Feb 2010 15:43 On Feb 19, 6:36 am, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Our moon(Selene) is simply not a solid fused kind of rock or voidless > compression of inert terrestrial minerals, and it's certainly not > nearly as inert and monochrome light-gray (~67% albedo) as so often > suggested and having been recorded as unfiltered on Kodak film that > was somehow immune to thermal and radiation extremes. > > On Jan 31, 10:21 am, BradGuth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Might as well shade Earth a little with our moon, and otherwise > > minimize our seismic trauma as well as directly benefit and profit > > from whatever that physically dark and mineral saturated surface has > > to offer. Off-world habitat wise, it just a matter of applied > > technology in order to take full advantage of whatevers within or > > under that thick basalt lithosphere. > > > As long as we cant afford to establish those Mars habitats (outside > > of mostly robotics) because 99% of everything needed for sustaining us > > humans has to come from Earth to begin with, therefore why not utilize > > at least the relatively failsafe interior of our moon(Selene) thats > > easy to get technology and ourselves to/from, that otherwise offers > > such an abundance of nifty and valuable cache of surface elements, as > > well as likely accessible voids and/or low density (only slightly > > compacted) material inside of its tough lithosphere, including brines > > that should have been trapped within/under that robust fused basalt > > crust (no good reason to perceive that hollow geode pockets dont > > exist). Otherwise, besides all those valuable minerals and 3He, we > > should ponder as to how much of our moon(Selene) offers carbonado, or > > could be easily utilized for the bulk manufacturing of carbonado. > > > Would you like to see those surface exposed minerals, as merely > > natural hue saturation enhanced in living color? (isnt UV secondary/ > > recoil fluorescence unavoidably nifty) > > http://www.coronaborealis.org/images/full_moon_color.html > > http://blog.deepskycolors.com/archive/2008/10/12/moon-in-full-color.html > > > Heres a somewhat less-saturated color/hue version (lots more of the > > same posted on the internet), and as anyone can plainly see theres > > nothing false colored about it, because those surface minerals are in > > fact the only photon source of each and every color pixel thatll only > > get more intense and/or darker the closer that camera gets. > > http://web.telia.com/~u18524382/moon_color.jpg > > http://deepskycolors.com/pics/astro/2008/10/10-12-2008_MoonColor.jpg > > > Many color images of our moon(Selene) exist (including those from our > > NASA), depicting its physically dark and complex mineralogy. > > http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/175836main_image_feature_819_ys_fu... > > > Apparently our NASA still doesnt know that our naked and physically > > dark moon is unavoidably saturated in solar UV that subsequently gives > > off its wealth of secondary/recoil mineral colors (its called > > intrinsic fluorescence). > > > Mineral colors (long-wave/short-wave UV), as perceived by what the > > camera and human eye detects as secondary/recoil photons, and please > > try to understand that our naked moon receives a great deal of solar > > UV thats only slightly filtered by the surrounding sodium laced > > atmosphere that reaches out 9r and otherwise offers a comet like tail > > of 900,000 km. > > http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/mag/artnov06macro/rm-macro.html > > http://users.ece.gatech.edu/~hamblen/uvminerals/show/ > > http://www.sdnhm.org/fieldguide/minerals/fluores.html > > http://www.uraniumminerals.com/Notes/Fluor.htm > > http://www.minerant.org/gallery1.html > > http://wordcraft.net/fluorescent1.html > > http://uvminerals.org/gallery > > > Apparently our spendy LRO mission is still astrogeology/mineralogy > > color blind. > > http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/ > > http://wms.lroc.asu.edu/lroc_browse > > > As long as we hold onto our moon(Selene) with its average 2e20 N worth > > of tidal binding force (each and every second by second = 2e20 Joules) > > plus its reflected and secondary IR of <1230 w/m2, we simply can't > > possibly have another ice age, not to mention those added TeraWatts > > worth of our mostly sooty energy plus artificially vaporized and > > natural water cycles made acidic by our CO2, NOx and of course loads > > of sulfur emissions, plus various natural and artificial ventings of > > raw/toxic methane contributions that are not exactly helping our > > biodiversity or cooling us off. Thanks mostly to the solar wind, we > > are also losing our precious radioactive decay element of helium plus > > always hydrogen by 100<1000 tonnes/sec (w/o solar wind that global > > loss might average >10 tonnes/sec, and without artificial > > contributions it might even conceivably drop >1 t/sec at minimal solar > > wind). In other words, we seem to be making this global warming trend > > a whole lot worse and way more community toxic than mother nature > > could ever hope to achieve. > > > The good news, is that essentially well run ourselves out of many > > natural reservoirs and those buried kinds of raw and often toxic > > elements, so that whatever biodiversity remains can eventually > > readjust to the raped, plundered and pillaged reality of getting on > > with the more natural trends of global geodynamics and its diminished > > biodiversity of traumatized evolution, thatll have considerably fewer > > humans to deal with. > > > Other than all that, plus a measured factor of our artificial global > > dimming that absorbs more solar energy, what could possibly go wrong > > with the good life w/o glacial slow-ice on our planet Eden/Earth? > > > How to capture a moon: > > Heres a simplistic simulator package that has a little something for > > everyone. (have yourself a ball) > > > Obviously aerodynamic drag (much greater before we had that moon), as > > well as lacking important factors of the lithobraking, loss/transfer > > of its icy mass and other tidal forces of the sun are not involved > > within this simulation, but none the less its a good enough example > > of how a capture might actually be easily accomplished. > > > Think of our moon(Selene) as a spent icy comet or an icy rogue > > planetoid, whereas 6.5e21 < 1e22 kg of ice from Selene is not any > > small volume to pick from, even if only 10% of it stuck with us is > > representing a substantial addition of water to our terrestrial > > environment. > > > Important factors of aerodynamic drag(aerobraking) should have been > > much greater and further reaching before we had that moon, as well as > > were lacking a few other important considerations of those primary > > and secondary lithobraking impact(s), encounter induced trajectory > > shift, loss/transfer of icy mass and those other pesky tidal forces of > > the sun and possibly Venus are not involved within this basic > > simulation, but none the less its still a good enough example of how a > > capture might actually be easily accomplished when the approach angle > > and velocity are just right. > > > http://isthis4real.com/orbit.xml > > Launch angle: -128 > > Launch force: 6.15 > > > Launch angle: -129 > > Launch force: 6.0 > > > Launch angle: -56.94 > > Launch force: 7.4 > > > Launch angle: -66.666 > > Launch force: 9.69 > > > As you any most any dysfunctional 5th grader can see, a number of > > encounter angles and velocity options seem to apply, whereas besides > > those exclusions of complex lithobraking and aerobraking encounter > > issues plus ice evaporation via solar energy, theres also the Roche > > Limit to consider: > > In 1848, Astronomer Edouard Roche noted that, if a satellite was > > held together mainly by its own gravitational attraction, there would > > be a minimum distance from the primary inside which the tidal forces > > of the primary would exceed the satellites binding forces and would > > tear it apart [Hoskin, 1996]. > > > The Roche Limit for two bodies is approximated by a function of their > > densities: > > Earth 18,470 km > > Jupiter 175,000 > > Saturn 147,000 > > Uranus 62,000 > > > Each near miss that's within this Roche Limit and of course by way of > > that initial lithobraking process of capturing an icy Selene of > > perhaps 8e22 kg(<8.5e22 kg), would most likely have fractured and > > pulled large portions of that thick ice away from its basalt surface, > > and thereby making its capture process easier as its mass and thereby > > energy is extracted from the encounter. Of course this tremendous > > encounter and subsequent capture would have unavoidably caused > > terrestrial seismic and tidal havoc as well as having transferred > > teratonnes of that ice to Earth, and perhaps otherwise that fully > > fused and thick basalt lithosphere of Selene should have extensively > > remained in tact, morphing perhaps only into offering the relatively > > shallow south polar crater that resulted from encountering Eden/Earth > > at roughly where our arctic basin exist. > > The ongoing lack and/or obfuscation of lunar science is another > indication of how little our own government really cares. If we cut > off their funding, then perhaps we too could care less. > > Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / Guth Usenet Question is; how much will China charge per kg, per round trip to/ from our moon(Selene)? One million dollars per kg may not be sufficient for anything but a one-way ticket, but if it's the only available ticket then perhaps that price/kg can be literally as high as the sky. ~ BG
From: Brad Guth on 25 Feb 2010 07:33 Tidal energy should be interpreted as essentially extreme long-wave IR that doesnt reflect but morphs the lithosphere <55 cm at <16 m/s, and via secondary convection up-welling that obviously does eventually manage to get rid of such thermal energy is what heats our surface environment. Ideally, if the nighttime cloud cover doesnt increase were better off. However, nature plus we humans have extensively increased the amounts of atmospheric water saturation, as well as our having made it sooty and acidic enough to etch class. This kind of artificial global dimming and increased nighttime cloud cover is not exactly helping to keep us cool or much less weather stabilized. Earth is surface radiating its core energy at roughly 64 TW, while holding onto that moon has been contributing 2e20 N.m/sec 55,555 TW (some of which [let us say at the very least 0.1%] becomes geothermal thermal energy). In other words, without our moon (-56 TW), the core radiated heat of Earth might become worth as little as 8 TW. 1 btu = approximate amount of energy needed to heat .4527 kg of water by one degree Fahrenheit, and most often thats also given as or interpreted as to represent the volume of h2o per hour. 1 btu = 1055.06 joules 1 kw.h = 3412 BTU 1 kw.h = 3.6e6 joules 8.34 pounds = one gallon of pure h2o 8.356 btu/gal/1°F rise/hr (based on 1g/cm3 density) 8.356 btu/3.783 kg = 2.209 btu/kg (based on 1g/cm3 density) 2.209 btu = 2.3306e3 J 2.209 btu/kg/1°F rise/hr (based on 1g/cm3 density) Earth mass = 5.974e24 kg 5.974e24 * 2.209 = 13.1966e24 btu to get Earth warned up by 1°F However the average density of Earth is roughly 5.5 times greater than water. 13.1966e24 * 5.5 = 7.26e25 btu in order to sustain the whole body of Earth warmed up by an extra 1°F 7.26e25 btu = 7.66e28 J If 100% of the 2e20 N of tidal binding force were converted into thermal energy: 7.66e28/2e20 = 3.83e8 seconds 3.83e8/3.1536e7 = 12.145 years per 1°F rise. Its clear that any large and/or massive enough asteroid in a sufficiently nearby orbit of a given planet can make that planet a little hotter from the inside out. By any conceivable interpretation, our moon(Selene) of 7.35e22 kg that may have started out as an icy 8.35e22 kg in a closer orbit upon physically encountering us, more than qualifies. Theres even an extensive NASA infomercial production of nifty eyecandy as to how such an asteroid/moon heated up the planet Mars. I personally could doubt that more than 10% of this GW trend via tidal interaction is the case, making that timeline of global warming via tidal binding forces more like 121.45 years per 1°F rise, and of course Earth always radiates at least 90% of that energy influx which makes it 1214.5 years per 1°F rise, although where the other energy is going I havent the slightest idea, unless its sustaining some kind of electrostatic charge differential. Of course the moon itself isnt a solid inert rock, and therefore some kind of geothermal considerations with considerably less activity than Earth has to coexist under that unusually thick and mineral saturated lunar crust. So, as I research and manage to learn more, Ill have to rethink in order to update/revise this interpretation. I doubt others with better physics and science expertise that are mostly public funded will bother to help investigate, because supposedly Earth has nearly always had that physically dark and crystal dry moon of ours. Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / Guth Usenet
From: Brad Guth on 25 Feb 2010 09:36 Relocating our captured moon/Selene out to Earth L1 isnt going to eliminate ocean tides, although its going reduce those tides by at least 50% plus cut the lunar induced seismic considerations by at least 8:1, as well as giving us roughly 3% shade to work with.. Lunar tidal energy should be interpreted as essentially extreme long- wave IR that doesnt reflect but morphs or modulates throughout the lithosphere <55 cm at <16 m/s, and via secondary convection up-welling that obviously does eventually manage to get rid of such thermal energy is what contributes heat and pollution to our surface environment. If it was just up to the much weaker tidal influence of our sun and its illuminating form of heat, and especially if without a seasonal tilt, wed be extensively iced up nearly to the tropics of Cancer and Capricorn. Ideally, if the nighttime cloud cover doesnt increase were better off having a moon that modulates the entire body of this planet. However, nature plus we humans have extensively increased the amounts of atmospheric water saturation, as well as our having made it sooty and acidic enough to etch class. This kind of artificial global dimming and increased nighttime cloud cover is not exactly helping to keep us cool or much less weather stabilized, whereas slow glacial ice and compacted snow stores hot and cold energy as well as the bulk of fresh water in a very controlled method thatll be hard to replace or do without. Earth is surface radiating its core energy at roughly 64 TW, while holding onto that moon has been contributing 2e20 N.m/sec 55,555 TW (some of which [let us say at the very least 0.1%] becomes geothermal thermal energy). In other words, without our moon (-56 TW), the core radiated heat of Earth might become worth as little as 8 TW. 1 btu = approximate amount of energy needed to heat .4527 kg of water by one degree Fahrenheit, and most often thats also given as or interpreted as to represent the volume of h2o heated by one degree per hour. 1 btu = 1055.06 joules 1 kw.h = 3412 BTU 1 kw.h = 3.6e6 joules 8.34 pounds = one gallon of pure h2o 8.356 btu/gal/1°F rise/hr (based on 1g/cm3 density) 8.356 btu/3.783 kg = 2.209 btu/kg (based on 1g/cm3 density) 2.209 btu = 2.3306e3 J 2.209 btu/kg/1°F rise/hr (based on 1g/cm3 density) Earth mass = 5.974e24 kg 5.974e24 * 2.209 = 13.1966e24 btu to get Earth warned up by 1°F However the average density of Earth is roughly 5.5 times greater than water. 13.1966e24 * 5.5 = 7.26e25 btu in order to sustain the whole body of Earth warmed up by an extra 1°F 7.26e25 btu = 7.66e28 J If 100% of the 2e20 N of tidal binding force were converted into thermal energy: 7.66e28/2e20 = 3.83e8 seconds 3.83e8/3.1536e7 = 12.145 years per 1°F rise. Its clear that any large and/or massive enough asteroid in a sufficiently nearby orbit of a given planet can make that planet a little hotter from the inside out. By any conceivable interpretation, our moon(Selene) of 7.35e22 kg that may have started out as an icy 8.35e22 kg in a closer orbit upon physically encountering us, more than qualifies. Theres even an extensive NASA infomercial production of nifty eyecandy as to how such an asteroid/moon heated up the planet Mars. I personally could doubt that more than 10% of this GW trend via tidal interaction is the case, making that timeline of global warming via tidal binding forces more like 121.45 years per 1°F rise, and of course Earth always radiates at least 90% of that energy influx which makes it worth 1214.5 years per 1°F rise, although where the other energy is going I havent the slightest idea, unless its sustaining some kind of electrostatic charge differential. Of course the moon itself isnt a solid inert rock, and therefore some kind of geothermal considerations with considerably less activity than Earth, has to coexist under that unusually thick and mineral saturated lunar crust. So, as I research and manage to learn more, Ill have to continually rethink in order to update/revise this interpretation, because I doubt others with better physics and science expertise that are mostly public funded will bother to help investigate, perhaps because supposedly Earth has nearly always had that physically dark and crystal dry moon of ours that we still cant set up any camp/ habitat upon or within, nor even utilize its L1. Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / Guth Usenet On Jan 4, 10:50 am, BradGuth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Nov 6 2009, 10:56 pm, BradGuth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Wheres the objective evidence that our Selene/moon is not the least > > bit hollow? > > > Where's our public funded science pertaining to the Earth-moon L1 > > (Selene L1) environment? > > > Since most everything original about our Apollo mission obtained > > science is either missing or remains as need-to-know or inaccessible, > > where's the other 99.9% of our public funded LRO science? > > > ~ BG > > Whats not holding up that robust lunar crust? > > Moon interior open space as geode like hollows/voids w/air at 14.7 > psi: > 14.7 psi = 10.335e3 kgf/m2 (x 6 becomes a force worth holding up 62 t/ > m2) > > Exterior Vacuum at 3e-15 bar = 1.2e-12 inch h2o = 3.06e-15 kgf/cm2 > Otherwise a negative pull or suction of 14.7 psi (10.335e3 kgf/m2) = > 62 t/m2 > > Assuming this mineral saturated lunar basalt is that of a sufficiently > fused molecular kind of solid thats only leaking sodium, whereas > 1/6th gravity should become worth 124 tonnes/m2 of holding that lunar > basalt shell up/away from the porous or semi-hollow mantel and its > tidal offset core, as such is going to lift or hold up a serious > amount of that basalt crust per km2 (124e6 tonnes/km2), not to mention > whatever interior pressure below that thick and heavy crust should by > rights be something considerably greater than 14.7 psi. > > Due to the crust porosity and various mineral leakage as having > allowed some degree of subsequent pressure/vacuum equalization, > whereas even I might doubt that wed get anywhere near that kind of > result, but its certainly fun to ponder. > > Seems its going to be a little tough for our moon(Selene) not to have > those cavernous hollows/voids of some kind, at least a few solidified > geode like pockets, porous layers or accessible vugs within and under > that extremely thick and robust basalt crust, especially where that > supposedly iron core has shifted at least several percent (<25%) > towards Earth in order to help offset that much thicker and mascon > saturated farside crust. > > The farside mass offset of this unusually heavy mineral saturated > basalt crust is worth <4e21 kg, and the maximum <450 km radii of the > metallic core is supposedly worth 4<5e21 kg (more than likely its > only worth <4e21 kg). Therefore this dense metallic core of supposed > iron needs to be considerably offset towards Earth, so that the > greater proportion of lunar mass is always facing Earth. > > Not that any thick and mineral saturated form of fused basalt crust is > ever going to easily collapse under it's own mass, especially not at > 1/6th gravity (even less gravity below that crust), and of course > better yet if the average interior atmosphere of whatever pockets or > voids of gasses were <100 bar (1470 psi) shouldnt be unexpected. > > Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / Guth Usenet
From: Brad Guth on 27 Feb 2010 22:47 Besides our moon being porous or semi-hollow under that thick crust, we also need to understand what it's doing to us. How warm does our moon(Selene) keep us? One degree F/decade? One degree F/century? One degree F/millennium? One degree F/ten millennium? How much warmer can we allow Eden/Earth to get? How much increase in nighttime cloud-cover can we live with? How much human warming and polluting assistance can Earth stand? How much more of Earths hydrogen and helium can we afford to lose? Our lithosphere gets continually morphed along by a substantial composite of gravity tidal waves <.55 meter at the equator that migrates and/or reverberates throughout as causing an Earth warping/ undulating surface bulging/sinking kind of ride thats roughly 2/3 moon and 1/3 solar, thats also fast moving and cant but help trigger tectonic quakes via modulating our broken lithospheric plates that otherwise merely slip and slide into and under one another relatively harmlessly. In other words, the morphing/distorting or modulation of our lithosphere and mantel is perhaps more responsible for causing ocean tides than is gravity itself pulling upon water, and its certainly the most likely earthquake trigger, especially whenever theres 3+ body alignments taking place. Moon orbits us at 1022 m/s = 16.957 m/s at the surface equator of Earth, but of course thats only if Earth wasnt itself rotating at 465 m/s. (465 17 = 448 m/s is actually one heck of a nifty form of lithosphere modulation or tidal velocity as a continuous geophysical morphing shock-wave, of subsequent seismic and geothermal dynamics to always deal with) I wonder what the all-inclusive cost in hundreds of billions or perhaps trillions per year that such damage and losses to us humans, our infrastructures and the environmental trauma via earthquakes involve. Looks as though March 14~15th, 29~30th, April 13~14th and similar future alignment dates are worth paying closer attention to. http://jove.geol.niu.edu/faculty/stoddard/JAVA/moonphase.html Relocating our captured moon(Selene) out to Earth L1 isnt going to happen overnight (more like taking a century) nor will this eliminate ocean tides, although its going reduce those tides by at least 50% plus cut those pesky lunar induced seismic trigger considerations by at least 8:1, as well as giving us roughly 3% of badly needed shade to work with. In my book of constructively doing stuff which directly benefits the greater good, thats called a win-win-win. Perhaps our lunar tidal energy should be reinterpreted as essentially extreme long-wave IR that doesnt reflect but penetrates and morphs or modulates throughout the crust and mantel, distorting our relatively thin lithosphere <55 cm at <448 m/s, and then via secondary convection up-welling that obviously does eventually manage to get rid of such geothermal energy, is exactly what contributes the bulk of heat and pollution to our surface and atmospheric environment. If it was just up to the much weaker tidal influence of Earths rotation and that of our sun with its illuminating form of heat, and especially if this were accepted without a seasonal tilt and having less global nighttime cloudiness, wed be extensively iced-up nearly to the tropics of Cancer and Capricorn. Ideally, if the global warming nighttime cloud cover doesnt increase were better off having a moon that continually modulates the entire body of this thin-crusted planet. However, the nature of this evolving planet plus we humans as having extensively increased the amounts of atmospheric water saturation, as well as our having made it sooty and acidic enough to etch class, whereas this kind of artificial global dimming and increased nighttime cloud cover is not exactly helping to keep us cool or much less weather stabilized, whereas slow glacial ice and compacted snow stores hot and cold energy as well as the bulk of fresh water in a very controlled method thatll be hard to replace or do without. Earth has been surface radiating its core energy at roughly 64 TW, while holding onto that moon has been contributing 2e20 N.m/sec 55,555 TW (some of which [let us say at the very least 0.1%] becomes geothermal thermal energy). In other words, without our moon (-56 TW), the core radiated heat of Earth w/o moon might become worth as little as 8 TW which shouldnt hardly thaw any ice. 1 btu = approximate amount of energy needed to heat 0.4527 kg of water by one degree Fahrenheit, and most often thats also given or interpreted as to represent that volume of h2o thats heated by one degree per hour, mostly because thats how we apply and measure our energy usage, and otherwise the energy as a measure of Joules is always per second unless specified otherwise. 1 btu = 1055.06 joules 1 kw.h = 3412 BTU.h 1 kw.h = 3.6e6 joules 8.34 pounds = one gallon of pure h2o 8.356 btu/gal/1°F rise/hr (based on 1g/cm3 density) 8.356 btu/3.783 kg = 2.209 btu/kg (based on 1g/cm3 density) 2.209 btu = 2.3306e3 J 2.209 btu/kg/1°F rise/hr (based on 1g/cm3 density) Earth mass = 5.974e24 kg 5.974e24 * 2.209 = 13.1966e24 btu to get Earth warned up by 1°F However, the average density of Earth is roughly 5.5 times greater than water. 13.1966e24 * 5.5 = 7.26e25 btu in order to sustain the whole body of Earth as getting warmed up by an extra 1°F 7.26e25 btu * 1.055e3 = 7.66e28 J If 100% of the 2e20 N of tidal binding force were converted into thermal energy: 7.66e28/2e20 = 3.83e8 seconds 3.83e8/3.1536e7 = 12.145 years per 1°F rise. Its perfectly clear that any large and/or massive enough asteroid in a sufficiently nearby orbit of a given planet can make that planet a little hotter from the inside out. By any conceivable interpretation, our moon(Selene) of 7.35e22 kg that may have started out as an icy 8.35e22 kg in a much closer orbit and even upon physically encountering us, more than qualifies. Theres even an extensive NASA infomercial production as public funded and televised on PBS as well as available on DVD, of nifty animation eyecandy as to how such an asteroid/moon activated a dormant magnetic field and otherwise heated up the planet Mars. I personally could doubt that more than 10% of this GW trend via tidal interaction is the case, although it could easily be worth as great as 90%, making that timeline of global warming via tidal binding forces more like 121.45 years per 1°F rise, and of course Earth always radiates at least 90% of energy influx which then makes it worth 1214.5 years per 1°F rise, although as to where the other energy is going I havent the slightest idea (similar to our LHC having lost track of 98% of their proton quark/higgs mass or strange dark-matter), unless its sustaining some kind of electrostatic charge differential, but then what planet couldnt use a few trillion naked/rogue Higgs and magnetic holes to go along with its LHC gamma. Of course the moon itself isnt a ball of solid/fused inert rock, and therefore some kind of geothermal considerations with considerably less geodynamic activity than Earth has to coexist under that unusually thick and mineral saturated lunar crust. So, as I research and manage to learn more, Ill have to continually rethink in order to update/revise this ongoing interpretation, because I doubt others with better physics and science expertise that are mostly public funded will bother to help investigate, perhaps because supposedly Earth has nearly always had that physically dark and crystal dry moon of ours that we still cant set up any camp/habitat upon or within, nor can we even utilize its zero delta-V L1. Theres also the near zero delta-V of Cruithne thats never too far away, at 1.3e14 kg (about right for a spent carbonado comet core) as a somewhat second captured moon of ours (discovered long after our Apollo missions), as also held by a fairly complex set of Newtonian gravity constraints thats a little odd but none the less stable. Most likely this once icy Cruithne also bounced off something like Earth (perhaps 65 million years ago), and thereby having lost/ transferred all of its icy payload in order to stick with us. Its original comet payload of ice could have been worth <2.7e14 kg, although its initial icy mass and date of encountering us is currently unknown unless youd care to reconsider that Yucatan impact site. The physical elements or unusual attributes of Cruithne should prove extremely interesting, but even though well enough within existing resolution of present day astronomy, especially whenever its nearby and otherwise easily viewed in detail by a probe fly-by, though unfortunately its still being kept pretty much taboo/nondisclosure rated by those in charge of mainstream damage-control of moons not being captured. The co-orbital Cruithne-3753 (our binary moon or planetesimal/ asteroid) eventually gets within 38 lunar distance, thus it would become similar to seeing a 130 meter resolution of our lunar surface is whats needed in order to deal with directly imaging this little target from Earth, and KECK with its 395 meter FL and f40 secondary mirror could accomplish this. Image simulations of a 5 km asteroid: http://s3.amazonaws.com/readers/2009/08/20/cruithnexx_1.jpg http://www.pagef30.com/2009/07/colonizing-asteroid-3753-cruithne.html Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / Guth Usenet
From: Brad Guth on 28 Feb 2010 00:04
On Feb 27, 8:18 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 2/27/10 9:47 PM, Brad Guth wrote: > > > Besides our moon being porous or semi-hollow under that thick crust, > > we also need to understand what it's doing to us. > > No it's not! > > Vibrational mode show that it is not porous or semi-hollow! Your purely subjective interpretation is noted. Then perhaps it's the only orb in the universe that's fused and compressed solid. Its relatively low density interior and seismic ringing suggest that it's anything but solid. Its offset core gives further room for something less than representing a pure solid. Are you also suggesting our moon(Selene) is without pockets of gas or fluids? ~ BG |