Our 0.1<1% hollow moon, and near infinite vacuum of Selene L1 / Brad Guth
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From: BradGuth on 2 Jan 2010 13:54 On Jan 2, 10:34 am, Nightcrawler <Dirtyde...(a)dirtcheap.net> wrote: > On 1/2/2010 12:07 PM, BradGuth wrote: > > > Wheres the objective evidence that our Selene/moon is not the least > > Where's the objective evidence that Guthball has a brain? "Our 99% hollow head of Guthball once again spewed..." In other words, you've still got nothing whatsoever. Why don't you knock our socks off with the best available science you've got? How about some public funded supercomputer simulations, of how such a thick and mineral saturated crust as having quickly solidified, evolves along with a tidal offset core (supposedly of hot iron), and remains today as a passive solid without internal fluids (meaning crystal dry), as well as gasless and otherwise solid as any inert (zero decay) rock that's no longer affected by whatever tidal morphing or gravity compression forces? ~ BG
From: BradGuth on 2 Jan 2010 16:04 On Jan 2, 11:22 am, Nightcrawler <Dirtyde...(a)dirtcheap.net> wrote: > On 1/2/2010 12:54 PM, BradGuth wrote: > > <More enane rambling snipped> > > Hey, dimbulb, ever read this report? > > http://www.solarviews.com/eng/moonpr1.htm Been there, done that NASA infomercial that was created for the LeapFrog certified likes of yourself, but thanks anyway. Ever heard of a geode rock? Earth has lots of nifty cavities and terrific geode pockets that are really big, not to mention those empty oil, gas and vast volumes of fresh water aquifer cavities that are near empty or having been seawater flooded. Thus far we've uncovered and/or having mapped the natural volumetric extent of perhaps <0.1% of what's available (should the need arise). ~ BG
From: BradGuth on 3 Jan 2010 13:05 On Jan 3, 9:05 am, Nightcrawler <Dirtyde...(a)dirtcheap.net> wrote: > On 1/3/2010 10:11 AM, BradGuth wrote: > > > btw; 3e-15 bar creates a great deal of suction, or lift against that > > robust lunar crust that you claim is as solid as any fused basalt can > > possibly get. (I wonder what's underneath) > > What suction? Lift? Bwahahaha. Are you actually suggesting that under that thick and mineral saturated basalt crust, that you claim isn't the least bit porous or otherwise hollow, that the interior of our moon(Selene) is at something equal or less than 3e-15 bar? > > What claim? That's right, silly old me, as you never claim anything unless it's 100% scripted within your NASA/Apollo bible. > > > How much larger would an empty party balloon get, if having been tied > > off at essentially 1 bar (14.8 psi absolute), in other words pre- > > inflated at 0.1 psi, and subsequently released on the moon? > > So much for the empty balloon. It would appear that you want to have > your cake, and eat it too. I happen to like cake, as long as it doesn't have too much icing. Otherwise you are correct, whereas that initial 0.1 psi (minimal) filled balloon would have instantly expanded beyond its molecular elastic shell capacity when released into that 3e-15 bar environment. So, your best swag as to how much pressure or gravity induced compression should exist below that supposedly solid/fused lunar crust that's <120 km thick (average of ~ 60 km)? ~ BG
From: BradGuth on 3 Jan 2010 16:44 On Jan 3, 1:11 pm, Nightcrawler <Dirtyde...(a)dirtcheap.net> wrote: > On 1/3/2010 2:47 PM, BradGuth wrote: > > > Moon interior open space as geode like hollows/voids w/air at 14.7 > > psi: > > 14.7 psi = 10.335e3 kgf/m2 (x 6 becomes a force worth holding up 62 t/ > > m2) > > Just as an aside, what made the "open" space in these geode like > hollows 14.7 psi? That was merely my constructive suggestion, such as derived from natural geology produced gasses or from being artificially injected with an atmosphere in order to benefit human habitat usage. Your NASA claims that the thick and robust basalt crust of our naked moon(Selene) contains loads of water (<250 ppm essentially right at the surface none the less), as well as there being a host of radioactive plus other reactive elements to boot. So, I don't see any problem in that lunar geology as having evolved with its fair share of such geode and vug like voids (especially since it supposedly cooled off so fast), or at the very least having substantially porous layers to work with. ~ BG
From: BradGuth on 4 Jan 2010 13:50
On Nov 6 2009, 10:56 pm, BradGuth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Wheres the objective evidence that our Selene/moon is not the least > bit hollow? > > Where's our public funded science pertaining to the Earth-moon L1 > (Selene L1) environment? > > Since most everything original about our Apollo mission obtained > science is either missing or remains as need-to-know or inaccessible, > where's the other 99.9% of our public funded LRO science? > > ~ BG Whats not holding up that robust lunar crust? Moon interior open space as geode like hollows/voids w/air at 14.7 psi: 14.7 psi = 10.335e3 kgf/m2 (x 6 becomes a force worth holding up 62 t/ m2) Exterior Vacuum at 3e-15 bar = 1.2e-12 inch h2o = 3.06e-15 kgf/cm2 Otherwise a negative pull or suction of 14.7 psi (10.335e3 kgf/m2) = 62 t/m2 Assuming this mineral saturated lunar basalt is that of a sufficiently fused molecular kind of solid thats only leaking sodium, whereas 1/6th gravity should become worth 124 tonnes/m2 of holding that lunar basalt shell up/away from the porous or semi-hollow mantel and its tidal offset core, as such is going to lift or hold up a serious amount of that basalt crust per km2 (124e6 tonnes/km2), not to mention whatever interior pressure below that thick and heavy crust should by rights be something considerably greater than 14.7 psi. Due to the crust porosity and various mineral leakage as having allowed some degree of subsequent pressure/vacuum equalization, whereas even I might doubt that wed get anywhere near that kind of result, but its certainly fun to ponder. Seems its going to be a little tough for our moon(Selene) not to have those cavernous hollows/voids of some kind, at least a few solidified geode like pockets, porous layers or accessible vugs within and under that extremely thick and robust basalt crust, especially where that supposedly iron core has shifted at least several percent (<25%) towards Earth in order to help offset that much thicker and mascon saturated farside crust. The farside mass offset of this unusually heavy mineral saturated basalt crust is worth <4e21 kg, and the maximum <450 km radii of the metallic core is supposedly worth 4<5e21 kg (more than likely its only worth <4e21 kg). Therefore this dense metallic core of supposed iron needs to be considerably offset towards Earth, so that the greater proportion of lunar mass is always facing Earth. Not that any thick and mineral saturated form of fused basalt crust is ever going to easily collapse under it's own mass, especially not at 1/6th gravity (even less gravity below that crust), and of course better yet if the average interior atmosphere of whatever pockets or voids of gasses were <100 bar (1470 psi) shouldnt be unexpected. Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / Guth Usenet |