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From: Burt on 27 Jun 2005 14:44 "measekite" <inkystinky(a)oem.com> wrote in message news:atXve.400$0V3.225(a)newssvr13.news.prodigy.com... > > > Burt wrote: > >>Steve - What aftermarket inks have you used? I am using MIS inks for my >>Canon i960 and others on this NG are using Formulabs bulk inks and carts > > I HAVE NEVER FOUND ANY WEBSITE THAT SPEIFICES ON THEIR SITE THAT FORMULABS > INK IS USED INSIDE THEIR PREFILLED CARTS. Formulabs ink is in cartridges sold by Alotofthings (their Arrow carts, not Rainbow), Weink (carts that have the CRU id in their product listings), and, I have been told, Wiredbeans carts which are available on ebay. You can contact each of them to verify that their cartridges are filled with Formulabs inks before purchasing. > >>filled with Formulabs inks in their Canon printers. Which one was good >>but more expensive, and which one do you use now? Your answers will be >>helpful for others who would prefer advice from a few people who has >>successfully used aftermarket inks. >> >>I don't know if you have seen this link. >> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1003&message=12198835 >>A fairly crude test of color match and fade characteristic of several >>aftermarket inks compared to Canon OEM inks was done with a swab on plain >>paper and on photo paper. Certainly not the definitive scientific test, >>but it does give some good comparative information. Obviously, colors >>matches are best evaluated on prints as this is the way the materials are >>used. Nonetheless, you get a pretty good idea of color compatability and >>fade resistance. It looks to me as if almost all of them are within a >>color range that would work well with possible need for very minor tweaks. >> >>" Stevelee" <" Stevelee"@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>news:WQWve.270$j04.119(a)newssvr21.news.prodigy.com... >> >>>measekite wrote: >>> >>>>Stevelee wrote: >>>> >>>>>The glossy photo paper setting is a more generic setting for a lot of >>>>>glossy photo paper. >>>>>It may be a better one for the kirkland paper. Photopaper Pro is really >>>>>specifically >>>>>set for Canon's own paper. It may work well for some paper but it seems >>>>>not the case. >>>>> >>>>Because you do not know what kind of ink you are using. >>>> >>>Well, that's a valid point. But the paper is the predominant factor in >>>choosing >>>which setup to print. True, the ink may make some differences. But with >>>the 3rd >>>party ink I am using I do get the best result when printing on Canon >>>paper and >>>use Canon's suggested setup. That tells me the ink matches well with OEM. >>> >>>I agree if a wrong set of ink is used it may change everything into a >>>unknown >>>domain. Maybe I am just lucky to get a hold of a good supply of ink. >>>There are >>>really only a handful of bulk ink retailers out there. The first company >>>I tried >>>was OK but too expensive for me. I tried a 2nd and I have been very >>>satisfied >>>since then. >> >> >>
From: measekite on 27 Jun 2005 15:52 Burt wrote: >"measekite" <inkystinky(a)oem.com> wrote in message >news:atXve.400$0V3.225(a)newssvr13.news.prodigy.com... > > >>Burt wrote: >> >> >> >>>Steve - What aftermarket inks have you used? I am using MIS inks for my >>>Canon i960 and others on this NG are using Formulabs bulk inks and carts >>> >>> >>I HAVE NEVER FOUND ANY WEBSITE THAT SPEIFICES ON THEIR SITE THAT FORMULABS >>INK IS USED INSIDE THEIR PREFILLED CARTS. >> >> > >Formulabs ink is in cartridges sold by Alotofcrap (their Arrow carts, not >Rainbow), > NOTHING ON ANY WEBSITE BY ANYBODY HAS STATED THAT THEIR PREFILLED CARTS ARE FILLED WITH FORMULABS INK AND NON OF THE CARTS BEAR THAT NAME ON WHAT THEY SELL. IF THEY DO NOT LABEL IT AS SUCH THERE IS NO REASON TO BELIEVE THAT IS WHAT IS IN THEM. >WeStink (carts that have the CRU id in their product listings), and, >I have been told, Wiredbeans carts which are available on ebay. You can >contact each of them to verify that their cartridges are filled with >Formulabs inks before purchasing. > > GO CONTACT EVERYBODY ABOUT EVERY PURCHASE YOU MAKE WHEN THEY FAIL TO PUBLICALLY DISCLOSE WHAT THEY ARE SELLING AND DO NOT LABEL THE PRODUCT WITH THE CONTENTS. IF THEY SAY SOMETHING IS INSIDE THEN IT SHOULD BE LABELED AS SUCH. > > > >>>filled with Formulabs inks in their Canon printers. Which one was good >>>but more expensive, and which one do you use now? Your answers will be >>>helpful for others who would prefer advice from a few people who has >>>successfully used aftermarket inks. >>> >>>I don't know if you have seen this link. >>>http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1003&message=12198835 >>>A fairly crude test of color match and fade characteristic of several >>>aftermarket inks compared to Canon OEM inks was done with a swab on plain >>>paper and on photo paper. Certainly not the definitive scientific test, >>>but it does give some good comparative information. Obviously, colors >>>matches are best evaluated on prints as this is the way the materials are >>>used. Nonetheless, you get a pretty good idea of color compatability and >>>fade resistance. It looks to me as if almost all of them are within a >>>color range that would work well with possible need for very minor tweaks. >>> >>>" Stevelee" <" Stevelee"@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>news:WQWve.270$j04.119(a)newssvr21.news.prodigy.com... >>> >>> >>> >>>>measekite wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Stevelee wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>The glossy photo paper setting is a more generic setting for a lot of >>>>>>glossy photo paper. >>>>>>It may be a better one for the kirkland paper. Photopaper Pro is really >>>>>>specifically >>>>>>set for Canon's own paper. It may work well for some paper but it seems >>>>>>not the case. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Because you do not know what kind of ink you are using. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Well, that's a valid point. But the paper is the predominant factor in >>>>choosing >>>>which setup to print. True, the ink may make some differences. But with >>>>the 3rd >>>>party ink I am using I do get the best result when printing on Canon >>>>paper and >>>>use Canon's suggested setup. That tells me the ink matches well with OEM. >>>> >>>>I agree if a wrong set of ink is used it may change everything into a >>>>unknown >>>>domain. Maybe I am just lucky to get a hold of a good supply of ink. >>>>There are >>>>really only a handful of bulk ink retailers out there. The first company >>>>I tried >>>>was OK but too expensive for me. I tried a 2nd and I have been very >>>>satisfied >>>>since then. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> > > > >
From: Burt on 27 Jun 2005 18:12 "measekite" <inkystinky(a)oem.com> wrote in message news:2OYve.418$0V3.251(a)newssvr13.news.prodigy.com... > > (snip) > NOTHING ON ANY WEBSITE BY ANYBODY HAS STATED THAT THEIR PREFILLED CARTS > ARE FILLED WITH FORMULABS INK AND NON OF THE CARTS BEAR THAT NAME ON WHAT > THEY SELL. IF THEY DO NOT LABEL IT AS SUCH THERE IS NO REASON TO BELIEVE > THAT IS WHAT IS IN THEM. Better not buy Canon OEM inks then as they don't state who makes their inks or carts. I would also like to know where the Kenmore factory is located so I can be sure who made their refrigerators and vacuum cleaners. Try to find out who makes their signature tool line as well. I would like Measekite to research the firms that every car "manufacturer" uses to outsource part manufacturing. The line between manufacturer and brand labeling tends to blur when you look at the real world marketplace as any MBA from Stanford (except for Measekite) will tell you. > >>WeStink (carts that have the CRU id in their product listings), and, I >>have been told, Wiredbeans carts which are available on ebay. You can >>contact each of them to verify that their cartridges are filled with >>Formulabs inks before purchasing.>> > > GO CONTACT EVERYBODY ABOUT EVERY PURCHASE YOU MAKE WHEN THEY FAIL TO > PUBLICALLY DISCLOSE WHAT THEY ARE SELLING AND DO NOT LABEL THE PRODUCT > WITH THE CONTENTS. IF THEY SAY SOMETHING IS INSIDE THEN IT SHOULD BE > LABELED AS SUCH. I see that you are back to you Libelous behaviour again. (snip)
From: satoshi on 27 Jun 2005 21:06 I bought Kirkland Glossy Photopapers (11 x 8.5) and Kodak Photo papers (6 x 4) from Costco. I tested these two papers, glossy Canon photopapers, and HP glossy papers with ip4000 under the similar conditions. I do not have professional eyballs but to my untrained, nake eyes, all came out to be very nice. But prints made at Costco seems to be slightly sharper than others. But I like the overall color patterns of images on Kirkland papers. Again, I am very happy with Kirkland papers. Furthermore, Kirkland papers are cheaper and thicker. BTW, I used third party CMY inks with real BCI-3eBK and BCI-6BK. Thanks to measekite for the suggestion of Kirkland papers. Satoshi "measekite" <inkystinky(a)oem.com> wrote in message news:CG%ue.3531$Bx6.861(a)newssvr13.news.prodigy.com... > Now try Costco/Kirkland Glossy Photo Paper and compare your results > against > Canon Photo Paper Pro. Use the Canon Photo Paper Pro setting for both > papers. >
From: zakezuke on 27 Jun 2005 21:20
> I tested these two papers, glossy Canon photopapers, and HP glossy papers > with ip4000 under the similar conditions. I do not have professional > eyballs but to my untrained, nake eyes, all came out to be very nice. But > prints made at Costco seems to be slightly sharper than others. But I like > the overall color patterns of images on Kirkland papers. In the end that's all that matters.... what looks good to you. You can look at specifications and numbers till you are blue in the face... but in the end you just gotta try and see. Another useful test you might want to do is print on two papers the same image and ignore the for a week, two weeks, 1 month. I use a western window sill my self, one could try a coffee table for an example of normal expsure to natural light. It's hard to be 100% scientific but it should give you some clue what lasts longer. But generally speaking the Canon OEM inks are more prone to faiding than others, but at present I lack any useful info in helping to resolve this. |