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From: tbmoas58 on 14 Nov 2007 19:10 "mcsteve" <mcstevex1350(a)verizon.net> wrote in message news:mJL_i.8084$ds.1360(a)trndny09... > <tbmoas58(a)peoplepc.com> wrote: >> I in fact recommened both the meyer upa1's at about 650$ each or the EAW >> kf650 at about 1200.00(both used prices) as being suitable for the task >> I also recommended the EAW la400 subs >> > > You know, George... > It dawned on me that your use of the phrase "over LA 400s" > went right 'over' Bony's pointy little head. He probably thinks it > meant "other than". As in, "I would recommend A over B". > He probably doesn't know that the 400s are subs. But, why would he? He > knows next to nothing. > but he felt he knew enough nto recommend the poster build a sound system using only 6 la400's it would be pretty solid up to about 120 Hz who needs those pesky mids and highs anyway george
From: Rupert on 14 Nov 2007 19:51 On Nov 14, 3:32 pm, <tbmoa...(a)peoplepc.com> wrote: > "Mike Dobony" <sw...(a)notasarian-host.net> wrote in message > > news:E9L_i.10083$yV6.4332(a)newssvr25.news.prodigy.net... > > > > > > > "mcsteve" <mcstevex1...(a)verizon.net> wrote in message > >news:G9jZi.1768$Z01.758(a)trndny01... > >> "Mike Dobony" <sw...(a)notasarian-host.net> wrote: > >>> King George doesn't care about budgets. Must sacrifice to the SR god. > >>> That means you must sell the car, the house, and put the wife and kids > >>> up as slaves to buy the best and most expensive SR gear. > > >> Once again, you exhibit how ignorant you are when it comes to the > >> topic of live sound. > >> EAW 650s and LA 400s are hardly "the best and most expensive" > >> speakers out there. They are certainly good sounding boxes that > >> can be bought at a reasonable price, but they hardly fit the hyperbole > >> you've wrapped them in. > > > ??????????? Do you know how to read? King George recommended MEYER's, > > NOT EAW. > > I in fact recommened both the meyer upa1's at about 650$ each or the EAW > kf650 at about 1200.00(both used prices) as being suitable for the task > I also recommended the EAW la400 subs While I'm sure George is aware, for those of you playing at home not familiar with the KF650, you will not find the recent incarnation for $1200 USD, the KF650z. You might be able to find the KF650is or some beat up KF650e's for around that price. The KF650z sounds noticeably better then the 2 older versions which tend to be a bit harsh. I suspect the new UX8800 EAW processor with the "Gunness Focusing" technology will help them all sound even better, but the drivers and new phase plug in the "z" version are much better. Rupet
From: tbmoas58 on 14 Nov 2007 20:09 "Rupert" <foodsteaks(a)linkline.com> wrote in message news:aef95123-a3ca-44a4-840b-b351150a77ef(a)w34g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > On Nov 14, 3:32 pm, <tbmoa...(a)peoplepc.com> wrote: >> "Mike Dobony" <sw...(a)notasarian-host.net> wrote in message >> >> news:E9L_i.10083$yV6.4332(a)newssvr25.news.prodigy.net... >> >> >> >> >> >> > "mcsteve" <mcstevex1...(a)verizon.net> wrote in message >> >news:G9jZi.1768$Z01.758(a)trndny01... >> >> "Mike Dobony" <sw...(a)notasarian-host.net> wrote: >> >>> King George doesn't care about budgets. Must sacrifice to the SR >> >>> god. >> >>> That means you must sell the car, the house, and put the wife and >> >>> kids >> >>> up as slaves to buy the best and most expensive SR gear. >> >> >> Once again, you exhibit how ignorant you are when it comes to the >> >> topic of live sound. >> >> EAW 650s and LA 400s are hardly "the best and most expensive" >> >> speakers out there. They are certainly good sounding boxes that >> >> can be bought at a reasonable price, but they hardly fit the hyperbole >> >> you've wrapped them in. >> >> > ??????????? Do you know how to read? King George recommended MEYER's, >> > NOT EAW. >> >> I in fact recommened both the meyer upa1's at about 650$ each or the EAW >> kf650 at about 1200.00(both used prices) as being suitable for the task >> I also recommended the EAW la400 subs > > > While I'm sure George is aware, for those of you playing at home not > familiar with the KF650, you will not find the recent incarnation for > $1200 USD, the KF650z. You might be able to find the KF650is or some > beat up KF650e's for around that price. The KF650z sounds noticeably > better then the 2 older versions which tend to be a bit harsh. I > suspect the new UX8800 EAW processor with the "Gunness Focusing" > technology will help them all sound even better, but the drivers and > new phase plug in the "z" version are much better. > > Rupet yes new the box is pretty much at 2800 to 3000$ each like my MSL3a's were 4000$ boxes that I bought for 1500 each there are some very seriously good sounding boxes well within the price range of even marginally sucessful bands george
From: Mike Dobony on 15 Nov 2007 10:31 <tbmoas58(a)peoplepc.com> wrote in message news:13jn1p6mdcg60f3(a)corp.supernews.com... > > "Mike Dobony" <sword(a)notasarian-host.net> wrote in message > news:RdL_i.10084$yV6.8072(a)newssvr25.news.prodigy.net... >> >> <tbmoas58(a)peoplepc.com> wrote in message >> news:13jbjd1fvejrg19(a)corp.supernews.com... >>> >>> "Mike Dobony" <sword(a)notasarian-host.net> wrote in message >>> news:P0jZi.68397$Um6.23488(a)newssvr12.news.prodigy.net... >>>> >>>> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:4735283A.7E13C1BF(a)hotmail.com... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> tbmoas58(a)peoplepc.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> "Mike Jones" <michaeljns2(a)hotmail.com> wrote >>>>>> >>>>>> > I've recently joined a funk/gospel group and it's clear that I need >>>>>> > to >>>>>> > take my PA gear and upgrade my main speakers and start providing >>>>>> > the PA. I >>>>>> > own a selection of a couple of crown amps and three Behringer amps, >>>>>> > so >>>>>> > I've got plenty of amps, what I don't have are main PA speakers >>>>>> > appropriate for this type of music. The band is huge, 1 lead >>>>>> > vocalist, 4 >>>>>> > backup vocalists, drums, bass, keyboard, guitar and 3 horns >>>>>> > (trumpet, sax >>>>>> > and trombone). Yep, that's 13 people... >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I own a DDX3216 with a couple of extra ADA8000's so I've got plenty >>>>>> > of >>>>>> > channels. I also own a few different cross overs, so I've got that >>>>>> > one >>>>>> > covered.. So, here's my dilemma, I'd like to be able to have a >>>>>> > flexible >>>>>> > system where I can add and subtract a similar set of main PA >>>>>> > cabinets to >>>>>> > handle venue sizes of 100 to up to 500 people. I'd like it to be >>>>>> > modular >>>>>> > and be able to add similar cabinets to accomodate different size >>>>>> > auditoriums and venues. And, I'd like to keep costs for speakers >>>>>> > under >>>>>> > $4K. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > This is probably impossible, but great vocals need to come first >>>>>> > with tons >>>>>> > of bass pushed out at the bottom. Suggestions??? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Meyer upa1's( OR EAW KF650'S) over eaw la400's >>>>> >>>>> How much is a set of those going to cost ? Rather more than $4k >>>>> methinks. >>>>> >>>>> Graham >>>>> >>>> >>>> King George doesn't care about budgets. Must sacrifice to the SR god. >>>> That means you must sell the car, the house, and put the wife and kids >>>> up as slaves to buy the best and most expensive SR gear >>> >>> The band has 13 people in it >>> this is not a bottom feeder operation >>> the are playing FUNK >>> bon your cleless as to what is needed >>> sre they might get by on some mid grade jbl or some such but it will get >>> trashed very quickly >>> >> >> I have seen JBL's hold up quite nicely. Just take a little care of them. >> >>> point is the upa1 are no longer in production and used ones go for >>> 1000-1200 pair >>> very reasonable for pro level speakers >>> la400's are also in 600$ each price uses >>> so you have a 5000$ investment that will sound GREAT AND have resale >>> value almost equal to what you paid when its time to sell >>> >> >> Then why didn't you recommend the LA400's then? . > > do you even know what a la400 is > and in fact I did recommend them > here is a cut and paste from this very post > > Meyer upa1's( OR EAW KF650'S) over eaw la400's > > Six of then would do nicely > > do what nicely? > I would not want a system that was simply 6 la400's Sorry. I didn't even check them out. I was thinking of FOH speakers in an array for more even sound distribution. I did do a search on the UPA1's and cannot find any for sale. I also could not find any info on them unless you are talking about hte UPA1-P's, a powered speaker. If so, the op could sell some amps to make up the difference IF they can find any. > >> and fit the OP's budge of $4,000, not your budget of $5,000. Stick with >> the OP's budget, not your own > > Used prices vary quite a bit and in today market 1000$ is likely the > profit from les than 3 gigs And ONLY if one borrows to make up any additional funds needed to bust a budget. Not everyone is willing to do that. > > you really dont understand budgets do you bony > they are not fixed numbers carved in stone unmuteable for any reason > they are moveable goal posts that help guide twards a reasonable solution By their very nature, budgets are almost fixed in stone. When I purchase a property for rehabbing I have a FIXED budget based upon after repair value. If I want to keep making a profit I MUST have a FIXED budget. I always budget for more to allow for "unexpected" costs, which means I bid less than the maximum allowable price to allow for these unbudgeted costs. Failing to follow budgets results in losses. The primary purpose of a budget is to be in control of the money, a simple, basic concept you have no grasp for. Basic math. Basic economics. Ignore the budget, lose money. Follow the budget, maximize profits. The only time a budget does not work is when it is unreasonable, that is, there is not enough money to accomplish the goal or the budget exceeds income or reasonable income. Example: $10 a week for food doesn't work unless you are getting your food primarily from garbage cans, a not all that uncommon occurrence for those who continuously spend more than they make. Mike D. > george > >> >>> there is no down side to my suggestion >>> >>> george >>> . >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
From: gwatts on 15 Nov 2007 11:04
Mike Dobony wrote: > > ... I did do a search on the UPA1's and > cannot find any for sale. http://www.soundbroker.com/SPEAKERS/?listingid=8147 http://www.soundbroker.com/SPEAKERS/?listingid=33542 http://www.soundbroker.com/SPEAKERS/?listingid=33228 http://www.soundbroker.com/PA_SYSTEMS/?listingid=33462 from http://www.hticsproaudio.com/used%20pro%20audio%20-%20speakers%20for%20sale_1.html Meyer UPA1C 10 available $801.00 32179 ....there are more. > I also could not find any info on them unless you > are talking about hte UPA1-P's, a powered speaker. at http://www.meyersound.com/products/legacy/ you'll find http://www.meyersound.com/pdf/products/legacy/upa-1c_ds.pdf http://www.meyersound.com/pdf/products/legacy/upa-1c_oi.pdf I'm finding myself more in agreement with George, Phildo, etc. You really should (at least) try harder, the above took me more time to cut and paste than to find. |