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From: Susan Bugher on 13 Jan 2007 13:05
Mark wrote:
> Susan Bugher <sebugher(a)yahoo.com>:

>>Ragtime Solo (v 5.6.5)
>>http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/PL2007BUSINESS-HOME.php#0612-PW
>>
>>As far as I know no one has made a COMPLETE download of Ragtime Solo
>>using the link that's shown on the PL page. AFAIK no other download link
>>is available.
>
> Stoped at 46%. I've made a complete download of the free Dutch version
> from: http://www.zdnet.nl/downloads.cfm?id=17212

Yahbut. . . that's an older version - not v 5.6.5 :(

Downloads � Windows � Office
RagTime Solo versie 5.6
RagTime_Solo_562_nl.exe
(39470 kB)

Susan
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From: Susan Bugher on 13 Jan 2007 13:36
Terry Russell wrote:

> "Susan Bugher" <sebugher(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:50qu5aF1hn2lmU1(a)mid.individual.net...
>
>>http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/2007PL-Procedures.php

<SNIP> If a program is not available for download the program
>>is removed from the Pricelessware List."

>>Can anyone furnish the information that's needed to keep these programs on
>>the list? If not I will remove them.

>>Google Toolbar
>>http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/PL2007INTERNET.php#0324-PW
>>
>>I have not been able to find the current stable version of the Google
>>Toolbar for Firefox. I have not been able to find file names or file sizes
>>or download links for *installation* files for the Google Toolbar.


> couldn't get ff , only have firefox in a virtual machine to play with
>
> I got
> 2k/xp dl/s Google Updater.exe 723k
> also
> IE
> http://toolbar.google.com/T4/?rd=f
> System requirements:
> . Windows Vista/2000/XP
> . Internet Explorer 6.0+
> GoogleToolbarInstaller.exe 1114kb
>
> IE me/98
> http://toolbar.google.com/download?hl=en
> IE98ME\GoogleToolbarInstaller.exe 569k
> but noted there was something about the license, and the feel was
> they really wanted you to get it straight from them
> ( some things really expect broadband , if you have it you don't need the cd
> ,
> if you don't you can't really use what they provide )

erm. . . none of that information is helpful. :(

This is the information that's NEEDED for the Firefox and IE versions of
the Google Toolbar:

version (and the URL where you found the info):
release date (and the URL where you found the info):
file name (and the URL where you found the info):
file size (and the URL where you found the info):
download link (and the URL where you found the info):

The download link should allow people to download the Firefox file with
IE and vice versa - some links redirect and offer the wrong file or
won't let people download the file. The file should be complete -> no
additional downloading required to install the program.

I'm not real hopeful after spending several fruitless hours yesterday
searching. . . ISTM the Google Toolbar is more like Webware than
Freeware - especially since it has those automatic updates that can't be
turned off. . .

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From: Susan Bugher on 14 Jan 2007 12:35
Susan Bugher wrote:

> http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/2007PL-Procedures.php

> "Removal Procedures"
> "Programs are removed from the Pricelessware List. if they do not meet
> the eligibility requirements. If it is learned that the program's ware
> type is ineligible or it becomes ineligible the program is removed from
> the Pricelessware List.. If a program becomes shareware and a "last
> Freeware version" is not available for download the program is removed
> from the Pricelessware List. If a program is not available for download
> the program is removed from the Pricelessware List."
>
> Two programs appear to be candidates for removal from the Pricelessware
> List, the Google Toolbar and Ragtime Solo.

Make that three. :( ePrompter is the latest candidate.
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/PL2007INTERNET.php#0903-PW

ePrompter has an auto-updater. In another thread ([PL] ePrompter help
needed) I asked if there was a way to disable that "feature". To date no
one has posted a way to disable the auto-updater and two people have
said it can't be done.

"Programs are removed from the Pricelessware List if they do not meet
the eligibility requirements."

An app with an auto-updater that can't be disabled is NOT Freeware per
the ACF definition: "Legally obtainable software that you may use at no
cost, monetary or otherwise, for as long as you wish" (
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/WareGlossary.php ) because you
CANNOT use it "for as long as you wish". At best you can use the LATEST
VERSION of the software - which may be quite different from the version
you downloaded.

This issue coulda/shoulda been raised during the Pricelessware selection
process -> the program could have been placed on the PL2007 Ware Ballot.
I'm still hoping for miracles ;) but if a solution to the auto-update
problem is not posted in the near future the app will be removed from
the 2007 Pricelessware List.

Susan
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From: Ron May on 14 Jan 2007 14:41
On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:35:46 -0500, Susan Bugher <sebugher(a)yahoo.com>
wrote:

> This issue coulda/shoulda been raised during the Pricelessware selection
> process -> the program could have been placed on the PL2007 Ware Ballot.
> I'm still hoping for miracles ;) but if a solution to the auto-update
> problem is not posted in the near future the app will be removed from
> the 2007 Pricelessware List.

This issue will be decided by the group.

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From: Susan Bugher on 14 Jan 2007 17:30
Bill Day wrote:

>>Ragtime Solo (v 5.6.5)
>>http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/PL2007BUSINESS-HOME.php#0612-PW
>>
>>As far as I know no one has made a COMPLETE download of Ragtime Solo
>>using the link that's shown on the PL page. AFAIK no other download link
>>is available.

> I did get the program several months ago and installed it. AFAIK it is
> ok. It does give the "no commercial use" warning, but then goes ahead
> and cooperates. It does ask to send a UDP datagram to
> 265.265.265.265.......I wasn't sure what that was, so I said 'no'.

Thank you for the feedback Bill. It looks like we now have *3* links for
the English version - with Vegard's being the best/ easier to show on
the web page. :)

Susan
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