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From: Sue Morton on 30 Nov 2009 10:49
My friend (the one you gave me the drum templates for, and thank you again
for that!), mentioned at MF there is after rebates EZDrummer $99 and a
cross-grade to Superior Drummer 2.0 $99... I don't recall if you use both or
just EZDrummer? Or neither? I know you have other sample sets you use
(DFHS), and use some that came with EZDrummer (?)

Bottoml line, he's wondering if buying both of those would be a good next
step for him. He's not a drummer but he's making very good progress with
midi drums in his songs and is ready for better sounds. He's currently
using Session Drummer (3?) from Sonar 8.5, I don't know what samples.

Your opinion is wanted, sir :-) Tanks a lot mon!
--
Sue Morton


From: Eddie on 30 Nov 2009 11:54
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:27:04 +0000 (UTC), Glennbo wrote:

> The killer robot "Sue Morton" <867-5309(a)domain.invalid> grabbed the
> controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons...
>
>> My friend (the one you gave me the drum templates for, and thank you
>> again for that!), mentioned at MF there is after rebates EZDrummer $99
>> and a cross-grade to Superior Drummer 2.0 $99... I don't recall if you
>> use both or just EZDrummer? Or neither? I know you have other sample
>> sets you use (DFHS), and use some that came with EZDrummer (?)
>>
>> Bottoml line, he's wondering if buying both of those would be a good
>> next step for him. He's not a drummer but he's making very good
>> progress with midi drums in his songs and is ready for better sounds.
>> He's currently using Session Drummer (3?) from Sonar 8.5, I don't know
>> what samples.
>>
>> Your opinion is wanted, sir :-) Tanks a lot mon!
>
> Superior Drummer is the one to have, but the $99 crossgrade is if you
> already have EZ-Drummer. I started out with EZ-Drummer, and it's quite
> good, but then I won the song contest at Toontrack and got Superior 1,
> which I used until Superior Drummer 2 came out, which is what I use now.
>
> The samples that I still use from a previous version are from Superior
> 1, and are no longer availble, unless someone still has an old copy of
> Superior 1 for sale (maybe Ebay or something).
>
> Superior Drummer 2 has the same drum kit as EZ-Drummer (NY Avatar), but
> the sounds are *not* pre-processed like they are in EZD. It also has
> more samples of that kit, like sub-bass mics, additional snare mics, and
> additional stereo ambiance mics. The bottom line is if you have
> Superior Drummer 2, you really don't need EZD as it duplicates with less
> flexibility what Superior 2 has. Looks like Superior can be had
> straight up for $149
>
> http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Toontrack-Superior-Drummer-2.0?sku=720000


I read up a bunch on Superior Drummer and it appeared to me, that it was a
little less user-friendly than EZDrummer. It appeared that one needed to
install some sort of additional player to be able to hear the samples or
whatever. In EZDrummer, you can open the interface, click the groove pane,
and then just grab a groove and pull it right onto a MIDI track in SONAR.

Can one do this in Superior Drummer? I havent been able to determine the
workflow... I'm just learning SONAR (HomeStudio6) and I've got quite enough
on my plate as it is now... the ease of EZDrummer really appealed to me

From: Sue Morton on 30 Nov 2009 12:20
Thanks both of you for the Q&A, I've passed this info on. If he has any
questions I'll be back!
--
Sue Morton

"Glennbo" <vdrumsYourHeadFromYourAss(a)cox.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9CD3716C57874BrownShoesDontMakeIt(a)188.40.43.213...
> The killer robot Eddie <EA1234(a)nospamnothanks.com> grabbed the controls
> of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons...
>
>> I read up a bunch on Superior Drummer and it appeared to me, that it
>> was a little less user-friendly than EZDrummer. It appeared that one
>> needed to install some sort of additional player to be able to hear
>> the samples or whatever. In EZDrummer, you can open the interface,
>> click the groove pane, and then just grab a groove and pull it right
>> onto a MIDI track in SONAR.
>>
>> Can one do this in Superior Drummer? I havent been able to determine
>> the workflow... I'm just learning SONAR (HomeStudio6) and I've got
>> quite enough on my plate as it is now... the ease of EZDrummer really
>> appealed to me
>
> In the last update for SD2, they integrated EZ-Player so it now is as EZ
> as
> it is in EZD to preview grooves, and then drag-n-drop them into your song.
> What is more difficult, yet more powerful in SD2 is that the samples
> themselves have not been pre-processed, meaning they aren't EQ'd or
> tweaked
> at all, so it's totally up to you to get them sounding good. What I've
> noticed the most is that the EZD samples are compressed a fair amount, and
> mostly EQ'd rather bright. The Superior Dummer 2 samples are of the same
> kit, but more samples, and no pre-processing, so there's where the not as
> EZ part comes in.
>
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From: Sue Morton on 30 Nov 2009 14:02
OK got a question:

----------------------------------------
Does SD2.0 come with all of the same MIDI loops as EZD? My understanding is
that it doesn't and that's why people have recommended the purchase of both.
As I'm not a drummer, I'm thinking I'd get a lot of use from and much better
output with MIDI loops than I do my current method of me creating all drum
parts manually via the Piano Roll View (the drum hit version anyway).
----------------------------------------

G'Bo (or anyone) do you know whether he'll get the loops if he only buys
SD2.0? That's why he was thinking of getting EZD, then using that to
cross-grade to SD2.0.
--
Sue Morton

"Glennbo" <vdrumsYourHeadFromYourAss(a)cox.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9CD3716C57874BrownShoesDontMakeIt(a)188.40.43.213...
> The killer robot Eddie <EA1234(a)nospamnothanks.com> grabbed the controls
> of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons...
>
>> I read up a bunch on Superior Drummer and it appeared to me, that it
>> was a little less user-friendly than EZDrummer. It appeared that one
>> needed to install some sort of additional player to be able to hear
>> the samples or whatever. In EZDrummer, you can open the interface,
>> click the groove pane, and then just grab a groove and pull it right
>> onto a MIDI track in SONAR.
>>
>> Can one do this in Superior Drummer? I havent been able to determine
>> the workflow... I'm just learning SONAR (HomeStudio6) and I've got
>> quite enough on my plate as it is now... the ease of EZDrummer really
>> appealed to me
>
> In the last update for SD2, they integrated EZ-Player so it now is as EZ
> as
> it is in EZD to preview grooves, and then drag-n-drop them into your song.
> What is more difficult, yet more powerful in SD2 is that the samples
> themselves have not been pre-processed, meaning they aren't EQ'd or
> tweaked
> at all, so it's totally up to you to get them sounding good. What I've
> noticed the most is that the EZD samples are compressed a fair amount, and
> mostly EQ'd rather bright. The Superior Dummer 2 samples are of the same
> kit, but more samples, and no pre-processing, so there's where the not as
> EZ part comes in.
>
> --
> Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to Reply by email
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> / / __/ / _ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \
> / /_/ / / __/ / / / / / / /_/ / /_/ /
> \____/_/\___/_/ /_/_/ /_/_.___/\____/
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Glennbo http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo
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From: Sue Morton on 30 Nov 2009 14:52
Thanks G'Bo. The Toontrack site has no information on this.

Very good point, Dave will hopefully come along and give us the definitive
of definitives :-)

Do you (or anyone) know anything about the "Monster Midi Packs"?
--
Sue Morton

"Glennbo" <vdrumsYourHeadFromYourAss(a)cox.net> wrote in message
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> The killer robot "Sue Morton" <867-5309(a)domain.invalid> grabbed the
> controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons...
>
>> OK got a question:
>>
>> ----------------------------------------
>> Does SD2.0 come with all of the same MIDI loops as EZD? My
>> understanding is that it doesn't and that's why people have
>> recommended the purchase of both. As I'm not a drummer, I'm thinking
>> I'd get a lot of use from and much better output with MIDI loops than
>> I do my current method of me creating all drum parts manually via the
>> Piano Roll View (the drum hit version anyway).
>> ----------------------------------------
>>
>> G'Bo (or anyone) do you know whether he'll get the loops if he only
>> buys SD2.0? That's why he was thinking of getting EZD, then using
>> that to cross-grade to SD2.0.
>
> I *think* they include them, but since I already had them, I can't be
> 100% sure. I'm pretty sure that I have midi loops that are for other
> kits for EZD (like claustrophobic) that I don't have, and they had to
> come from somewhere. Maybe Dave "Mod Bod" will drop by and see this.
> Surely he knows the definitive answer to this question.
>
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