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From: Elliott Roper on 11 Jun 2010 08:32
In article <1jjx8ji.b37i9q1ownw5cN%info(a)that.sundog.co.uk>, SM
<info(a)that.sundog.co.uk> wrote:

> Pd <peterd.news(a)gmail.invalid> wrote:
>
> > SM <info(a)that.sundog.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > The reality is often the iPhoto slideshow where each image is treated to
> > > (and spoiled by) the Automatic KBE setting
> >
> > Isn't KBE *automatically* applied in iOS4? Or iMovie or iPhoto on the
> > new iPhone? I'm sure I remember reading that and thinking "god I hope
> > that's turn-offable". Irritates the snot out of me.
>
> Hope not! I don't mind moves on stills if there's a point and enjoyed
> Dogtown and Z-boys which has a huge amount of rostrum work on stills,
> but those creepy creep-ins etc. from iPhoto are like nails on a
> blackboard.

Indeed! Deeply irritating when pointless as done automatically in
iPhoto, Aperture, iMovie and all. Done right, to illustrate the story,
like the real Ken Burns does, is more than acceptable.
I think Apple are a bit naughty piggybacking on Ken Burns like that,
but it is certainly a descriptive name for the effect.
Motion, part of Final Cut Studio gives you the tools to do it better,
but it sure takes some wrasslin' to pin it down.

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From: Graeme on 11 Jun 2010 08:38
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James Jolley <jrjolley(a)me.com> wrote:

> On 2010-06-11 08:07:35 +0100, Graeme <Graeme(a)greywall.demon.co.uk> said:
>
> > In message <87dak0Fr2fU1(a)mid.individual.net>
> > James Jolley <jrjolley(a)me.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2010-06-11 00:18:24 +0100, Colin Harper <colinharper(a)x.com.invalid> said:
> >>>
> >>> Full article here:
> >>>
> >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Burns_Effect>
> >>>
> >>> I make no comment on the quality of that article, suffice to say that
> >>> literally, I couldn't put it better myself.
> >>
> >> No that's really interesting. I've always tried to take an interest in
> >> stuff like this, even though not seeing it puts me at the disadvantage.
> >> I bet the effect works even better with HD material, because it'de be
> >> easy to zoom in on individual details.
> >>>
> >
> > The BBC used the technique extensively on the children's story-telling
> > programme Jackanory, though I never heard it given a name.
>
> Interesting fact that. I wonder if the quality of the story-telling was
> improved by it, you know, art meeting literature and all that.
>

It was certainly a very popular programme, helped by having a high standard
of storyteller for each set of episodes.

--
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My genealogy website <www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy/>
From: SM on 11 Jun 2010 09:48
Elliott Roper <nospam(a)yrl.co.uk> wrote:

> > > Isn't KBE *automatically* applied in iOS4? Or iMovie or iPhoto on the
> > > new iPhone? I'm sure I remember reading that and thinking "god I hope
> > > that's turn-offable". Irritates the snot out of me.
> >
> > Hope not! I don't mind moves on stills if there's a point and enjoyed
> > Dogtown and Z-boys which has a huge amount of rostrum work on stills,
> > but those creepy creep-ins etc. from iPhoto are like nails on a
> > blackboard.
>
> Indeed! Deeply irritating when pointless as done automatically in
> iPhoto, Aperture, iMovie and all. Done right, to illustrate the story,
> like the real Ken Burns does, is more than acceptable.
> I think Apple are a bit naughty piggybacking on Ken Burns like that,
> but it is certainly a descriptive name for the effect.
> Motion, part of Final Cut Studio gives you the tools to do it better,
> but it sure takes some wrasslin' to pin it down.

FotoMagico (really) has a FCP, Motion, AE etc. plug-in which is pretty
good and easy:

<http://www.boinx.com/fotomagico/overview/>

not that I'm promoting overuse of the Ken Morse Effect.

Stuart
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From: Elliott Roper on 11 Jun 2010 10:28
In article <1jjxfhk.19j66awxmkc6cN%info(a)that.sundog.co.uk>, SM
<info(a)that.sundog.co.uk> wrote:

> Elliott Roper <nospam(a)yrl.co.uk> wrote:
<snip>
> > I think Apple are a bit naughty piggybacking on Ken Burns like that,
> > but it is certainly a descriptive name for the effect.
> > Motion, part of Final Cut Studio gives you the tools to do it better,
> > but it sure takes some wrasslin' to pin it down.
>
> FotoMagico (really) has a FCP, Motion, AE etc. plug-in which is pretty
> good and easy:
>
> <http://www.boinx.com/fotomagico/overview/>
>
> not that I'm promoting overuse of the Ken Morse Effect.

Heh!
If time were money, I'd be getting it. However, now that I have got a
yellow belt in Motion-fu, there is not much of the video demo that I
can't do there. It would be great for extended slide sequences, but
when intercutting the odd still with video it does not offer much more
than Motion and FCP.

Thanks for the heads up though.

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From: Peter Ceresole on 11 Jun 2010 16:11
SM <info(a)that.sundog.co.uk> wrote:

> not that I'm promoting overuse of the Ken Morse Effect

Thank you. I was wondering if anybody would pick up on that. Burns was
fine, but we were doing that stuff with Ken Morse for years- and I'm
damn sure we were very far from being the first.
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