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From: Ron May on 22 Sep 2009 21:38 On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:44:08 -0400, Susan Bugher <sebugher(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > I just skimmed down Ron May's last post listing programs, nominators and > seconders. Most of the names and nicknames looked familiar. I don't know > if any of the names or nicknames were forgeries but IIRC many of the > programs have had MORE than one second. IOW I don't believe your > objection is valid and I don't agree with your proposed remedy. There may be a few that raise eyebrows and I know for a fact one second was a forgery, but it's not included in the updates. You're correct about many of the programs having multiple seconds. If anybody cares to go through the 500 and counting posts in the nominations thread: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/browse_frm/thread/55e0b7cd68ff9255?hl=en# They'll find that even if you throw out posters that look dubious, the list wouldn't change a whole lot because there are many duplicate nominations and seconds. Also, in at least two instances, I've had emails off list that nominations or seconds made under an alias come from someone who would be recognizable under their regular nym but who felt that associating the known nym with the program might hurt its chances. I don't like that, but I understand it. -- Ron M. Help improve the ACF experience. Please don't feed the trolls. New to the group? Check out http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/ and try to ignore the threads that aren't freeware related.
From: Nicolaas Hawkins on 23 Sep 2009 00:31 On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:57:47 +0000 (UTC), Bear Bottoms <bearbottoms1(a)gmai.com> wrote in <news:Xns9C8ED55526AAAbearbottoms1gmaicom(a)188.40.43.213>: > Ron May <mayron(a)hotmail.com> wrote in > news:35tib5l1gjferamaohicdpsduhbi4anqsk(a)4ax.com: > >> On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:44:08 -0400, Susan Bugher <sebugher(a)yahoo.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I just skimmed down Ron May's last post listing programs, nominators >>> and seconders. Most of the names and nicknames looked familiar. I >>> don't know if any of the names or nicknames were forgeries but IIRC >>> many of the programs have had MORE than one second. IOW I don't >>> believe your objection is valid and I don't agree with your proposed >>> remedy. >> >> There may be a few that raise eyebrows and I know for a fact one >> second was a forgery, but it's not included in the updates. You're >> correct about many of the programs having multiple seconds. If >> anybody cares to go through the 500 and counting posts in the >> nominations thread: >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/browse_frm/thread/55e0 >> b7cd68ff9255?hl=en# >> >> They'll find that even if you throw out posters that look dubious, the >> list wouldn't change a whole lot because there are many duplicate >> nominations and seconds. Also, in at least two instances, I've had >> emails off list that nominations or seconds made under an alias come >> from someone who would be recognizable under their regular nym but who >> felt that associating the known nym with the program might hurt its >> chances. I don't like that, but I understand it. >> > > Good grief...you people are unbelievable! Well, you're a committed unbeliever anyway, so - no blood, no foul, eh? -- - Nicolaas
From: REM on 23 Sep 2009 07:41 > Yrrah <Yrrah-acf2009(a)newprovider.invalid> wrote: >I think the whole thing should be called off. There are too many >nominations from people we have not seen here before / various sock >puppets. I was a little uneasy too when I saw new nyms nominating. I did not see any bogus nominations, though. They were pretty much all solid programs that were seconded. I downloaded and looked at a couple of them and added a second. I don't have a problem with a nomination from any nym. The second process is a bit more important. It is implied that the person offering the second has used the program and feels it deserves a place on the list. This might deserve a little more inspection and a call for a third, or we can just see how it pans out in the vote. I have some time today and I'm going to try to download and look at more programs. There are a great many programs that I've yet to try.
From: Nicetameetya on 23 Sep 2009 12:04 On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:31:58 +1200, Nicolaas Hawkins wrote: > On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:57:47 +0000 (UTC), Bear Bottoms > <bearbottoms1(a)gmai.com> wrote in > <news:Xns9C8ED55526AAAbearbottoms1gmaicom(a)188.40.43.213>: > >> Ron May <mayron(a)hotmail.com> wrote in >> news:35tib5l1gjferamaohicdpsduhbi4anqsk(a)4ax.com: >> >>> On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:44:08 -0400, Susan Bugher <sebugher(a)yahoo.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I just skimmed down Ron May's last post listing programs, nominators >>>> and seconders. Most of the names and nicknames looked familiar. I >>>> don't know if any of the names or nicknames were forgeries but IIRC >>>> many of the programs have had MORE than one second. IOW I don't >>>> believe your objection is valid and I don't agree with your proposed >>>> remedy. >>> >>> There may be a few that raise eyebrows and I know for a fact one >>> second was a forgery, but it's not included in the updates. You're >>> correct about many of the programs having multiple seconds. If >>> anybody cares to go through the 500 and counting posts in the >>> nominations thread: >>> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/browse_frm/thread/55e0 >>> b7cd68ff9255?hl=en# >>> >>> They'll find that even if you throw out posters that look dubious, the >>> list wouldn't change a whole lot because there are many duplicate >>> nominations and seconds. Also, in at least two instances, I've had >>> emails off list that nominations or seconds made under an alias come >>> from someone who would be recognizable under their regular nym but who >>> felt that associating the known nym with the program might hurt its >>> chances. I don't like that, but I understand it. >>> >> >> Good grief...you people are unbelievable! > > Well, you're a committed unbeliever anyway, so - no blood, no foul, eh? Or in Bear's case, no cocaine, no wtfever.
From: Ron May on 23 Sep 2009 12:05
On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 06:41:03 -0500, REM wrote: >> Yrrah <Yrrah-acf2009(a)newprovider.invalid> wrote: > >>I think the whole thing should be called off. There are too many >>nominations from people we have not seen here before / various sock >>puppets. > > I was a little uneasy too when I saw new nyms nominating. I did not > see any bogus nominations, though. They were pretty much all solid > programs that were seconded. I downloaded and looked at a couple of > them and added a second. I don't have a problem with a nomination from > any nym. > > The second process is a bit more important. It is implied that the > person offering the second has used the program and feels it deserves > a place on the list. This might deserve a little more inspection and a > call for a third, or we can just see how it pans out in the vote. > > I have some time today and I'm going to try to download and look at > more programs. There are a great many programs that I've yet to try. > > REM, could you update the group on the amount of donations that you sent to me to reimburse me for my expenses? <wink> <VVVBBG> -- Ron M. Help improve the ACF experience. Please don't feed the trolls. New to the group? Check out http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/ Try to ignore subject lines that are not freeware related. |