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From: Chris H on 23 Feb 2010 12:38 In message <8t08o5d3d59qvldioibk7ae1jcgkhue5nn(a)4ax.com>, Bruce <docnews2011(a)gmail.com> writes >On 23 Feb 2010 15:35:41 GMT, ray <ray(a)zianet.com> wrote: >>On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 07:52:34 -0500, Alan Lichtenstein wrote: >> >>> I'm a neophyte as far as digital photography is concerned, however, >>> after having purchased my dSLR three years ago and finally deciding that >>> I ought to learn how to use it, realized that photography can be very >>> rewarding and interesting. Keeping in mind that I am still a neophyte, >>> I am considering purchasing a processing program. The majority of >>> salespeople in the camera store that I deal with, knowing that I am a >>> neophyte, recommended either Lightroom or Aperature. Are there any >>> recommendations that may help me? >> >>Why? I'd suggest you start with ufraw and GIMP (which are available as >>free downloads). Find out what they will do. Learn basic manipulation >>techniques. Put out money if, at some later date, you need or want to do >>more than they conveniently do. > > >That's excellent advice. Far too many people spend $$$ on Photoshop >CS3 or CS4 and end up with a hugely complex piece of software that >they don't need. GIMP is a powerful package and a great way to learn >post-processing. > >When the OP is ready to consider purchasing a commercial package, I >would recommend Photoshop Elements over the CS versions. Elements has >everything a keen photographer needs without the very high price and >needless complication of Creative Suite. I would agree completely the full photshop is overkill for many and Elements is all you need... however if you don't want to edit the picture, just sort out the colours and tones etc and cropping then both Aperture and Light room will do that, -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
From: Chris H on 23 Feb 2010 12:40 In message <4b840797$0$23454$426a74cc(a)news.free.fr>, Ofnuts <o.f.n.u.t.s(a)la.poste.net> writes >On 23/02/2010 13:52, Alan Lichtenstein wrote: >> I'm a neophyte as far as digital photography is concerned, however, >> after having purchased my dSLR three years ago and finally deciding that >> I ought to learn how to use it, realized that photography can be very >> rewarding and interesting. Keeping in mind that I am still a neophyte, I >> am considering purchasing a processing program. The majority of >> salespeople in the camera store that I deal with, knowing that I am a >> neophyte, recommended either Lightroom or Aperature. Are there any >> recommendations that may help me? >> >> Additionally, if in your comments, you can comment on how each program >> provides for HDR that would be appreciated, although from my reading, it >> does seem that there are other programs which will do that well. Also, >> can anyone recommend a basic book on HDR, low on technical aspects and >> easy on explanations, for a beginner? >> >> Any advice will be appreciated. > >Start with whatever is on the CD that came with your camera (DPP for >Canon, Capture (I think) for Nikon...)(check for available free updates >on the manufacturer's site). Not such bad software in general, and >you'll find things that other software won't do (because they can take >advantage of the proprietary exifs). Good advice. >If you want to go beyond that: >For cataloging, Google's Picasa is fairly nice (and supports the RAW types). For many reason I would avoid google's programs. >For processing, Gimp is quite powerful, but not as comfortable/easy as >PS since it somehow makes it mandatory to understand what you are >doing. Don't bother with Gimp... go for elements. It may even be on the Cd that came with the camera -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
From: Paul Furman on 23 Feb 2010 13:08 Chris H wrote: > In message<8t08o5d3d59qvldioibk7ae1jcgkhue5nn(a)4ax.com>, Bruce > <docnews2011(a)gmail.com> writes >> On 23 Feb 2010 15:35:41 GMT, ray<ray(a)zianet.com> wrote: >>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 07:52:34 -0500, Alan Lichtenstein wrote: >>> >>>> I'm a neophyte as far as digital photography is concerned, however, >>>> after having purchased my dSLR three years ago and finally deciding that >>>> I ought to learn how to use it, realized that photography can be very >>>> rewarding and interesting. Keeping in mind that I am still a neophyte, >>>> I am considering purchasing a processing program. The majority of >>>> salespeople in the camera store that I deal with, knowing that I am a >>>> neophyte, recommended either Lightroom or Aperature. Are there any >>>> recommendations that may help me? >>> >>> Why? I'd suggest you start with ufraw and GIMP (which are available as >>> free downloads). Find out what they will do. Learn basic manipulation >>> techniques. Put out money if, at some later date, you need or want to do >>> more than they conveniently do. >> >> >> That's excellent advice. Far too many people spend $$$ on Photoshop >> CS3 or CS4 and end up with a hugely complex piece of software that >> they don't need. GIMP is a powerful package and a great way to learn >> post-processing. >> >> When the OP is ready to consider purchasing a commercial package, I >> would recommend Photoshop Elements over the CS versions. Elements has >> everything a keen photographer needs without the very high price and >> needless complication of Creative Suite. > > I would agree completely the full photshop is overkill for many and > Elements is all you need... however if you don't want to edit the > picture, just sort out the colours and tones etc and cropping then both > Aperture and Light room will do that, But they are expensive and not exactly super easy to use. Picassa is probably a reasonable free alternative. I don't know aperture but I use lightroom and it's purpose is fast workflow for large numbers of pics that need to be adjusted & cropped to match in a high pace pro environment. Fine art prints & geeky tinkering is better done in photoshop (elements is fine). HDR and pano stitching are better done in dedicated programs. Gimp is sort of awkward & technical. The OP might also look into their camera manufacturer's software.
From: Robert Spanjaard on 23 Feb 2010 13:34 On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:08:34 -0600, Better Info wrote: >>Why? Neither do what Aperture or Lightroom do. Both do a lot of what >>GIMP and Photoshop do but they are a very good catalogue program. I >>rarely need Photoshop these days except for art photos. >> >>In any event Photoshop Elements is a much better option than Gimp and >>yes, I have used GIMP.It is on this PC. Photoshop Elements is given >>away with many things these days and does not cost much if you have to >>pay for it. >> >>As the vast majority of people use photoshop (and about 99.99% of pro's) >>So why go with something different that does less? At my local Camera >>club they all use Photoshop. If you ask for help with GIMP you won't >>get it. > > I, for one of thousands of talented photographers and professionals, > never need any help with any editor I use. So I've no need for a lot of > blind sheep followers supporting their popular but less capable > software. Ofcourse, illegal downloads do not count as support. If everyone who uses PS actually paid for it, Adobe would probably be able to make a profit at a sub-$150 price tag. -- Regards, Robert http://www.arumes.com
From: Robert Spanjaard on 23 Feb 2010 13:44
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:38:39 +0000, Chris H wrote: >>That's excellent advice. Far too many people spend $$$ on Photoshop CS3 >>or CS4 and end up with a hugely complex piece of software that they >>don't need. GIMP is a powerful package and a great way to learn >>post-processing. >> >>When the OP is ready to consider purchasing a commercial package, I >>would recommend Photoshop Elements over the CS versions. Elements has >>everything a keen photographer needs without the very high price and >>needless complication of Creative Suite. > > I would agree completely the full photshop is overkill for many and > Elements is all you need... however if you don't want to edit the > picture, just sort out the colours and tones etc and cropping then both > Aperture and Light room will do that, So will UFRaw. -- Regards, Robert http://www.arumes.com |