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From: mpc755 on 24 May 2010 19:28 On May 24, 5:23 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On May 24, 12:02 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 24, 3:00 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On May 24, 11:44 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 24, 1:19 pm, spudnik <Space...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > yeah, but you don't need the particle, at all; > > > > > Are you refuting your own statement? > > > > > "the wave of light travels through both slits, whence it recombines > > > > through constructive interference, and collapses as a single quantum" > > > > > The collapse of the wave as a "single quantum" is the photon > > > > 'particle'. > > > > > The ability of the wave to collapse into a "single quantum" occupies a > > > > very small region of the wave itself and travels a single path. > > > > > In a double slit experiment the photon 'particle' always enters and > > > > exits a single slit and the associated photon wave enters and exits > > > > both slits. The photon wave creates interference upon exiting the > > > > slits which alters the direction the photon 'particle' travels. > > > > Detecting the photon 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated > > > > photon wave (i.e. turns the wave into chop) and there is no > > > > interference. > > > > The proton has no radius. It is an infinitely small trio of point > > > energies known of as quarks. > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > Are you refuting your own statements? > > > "Light is [a] ... wave ... whose ... energy ... collapses ... into ... > > [a] ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > "light wave ... oscillating into ... mass" is the photon 'particle'. > > > "Light ... is ... small particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > "Light collapsing into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > "Oscillating into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > If detectors are placed at the exits to the slits in a double slit > > experiment the 'particle' is always detected exiting a single slit. > > The ability of light to collapse into a particle travels a single > > path. The light wave enters and exits both slits in a double slit > > experiment. The ability of the light to collapse into a particle > > enters and exits a single slit. The light wave exits both slits and > > creates interference which alters the direction the 'particle' > > travels. Detecting the 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated > > wave and there is no interference.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Point particle tripples are infinitely small. This is a proton and a > neutron. All particles are infinitely small. > > Mitch Raemsch Are you refuting your own statements? "Light is [a] ... wave ... whose ... energy ... collapses ... into ... [a] ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. "light wave ... oscillating into ... mass" is the photon 'particle'. "Light ... is ... small particle" is the photon 'particle'. "Light collapsing into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. "Oscillating into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. If detectors are placed at the exits to the slits in a double slit experiment the 'particle' is always detected exiting a single slit. The ability of light to collapse into a particle travels a single path. The light wave enters and exits both slits in a double slit experiment. The ability of the light to collapse into a particle enters and exits a single slit. The light wave exits both slits and creates interference which alters the direction the 'particle' travels. Detecting the 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated wave and there is no interference.
From: BURT on 24 May 2010 19:33 On May 24, 4:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 24, 5:23 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On May 24, 12:02 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On May 24, 3:00 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 24, 11:44 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On May 24, 1:19 pm, spudnik <Space...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > yeah, but you don't need the particle, at all; > > > > > > Are you refuting your own statement? > > > > > > "the wave of light travels through both slits, whence it recombines > > > > > through constructive interference, and collapses as a single quantum" > > > > > > The collapse of the wave as a "single quantum" is the photon > > > > > 'particle'. > > > > > > The ability of the wave to collapse into a "single quantum" occupies a > > > > > very small region of the wave itself and travels a single path. > > > > > > In a double slit experiment the photon 'particle' always enters and > > > > > exits a single slit and the associated photon wave enters and exits > > > > > both slits. The photon wave creates interference upon exiting the > > > > > slits which alters the direction the photon 'particle' travels. > > > > > Detecting the photon 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated > > > > > photon wave (i.e. turns the wave into chop) and there is no > > > > > interference. > > > > > The proton has no radius. It is an infinitely small trio of point > > > > energies known of as quarks. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > Are you refuting your own statements? > > > > "Light is [a] ... wave ... whose ... energy ... collapses ... into .... > > > [a] ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > "light wave ... oscillating into ... mass" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > "Light ... is ... small particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > "Light collapsing into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > "Oscillating into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > If detectors are placed at the exits to the slits in a double slit > > > experiment the 'particle' is always detected exiting a single slit. > > > The ability of light to collapse into a particle travels a single > > > path. The light wave enters and exits both slits in a double slit > > > experiment. The ability of the light to collapse into a particle > > > enters and exits a single slit. The light wave exits both slits and > > > creates interference which alters the direction the 'particle' > > > travels. Detecting the 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated > > > wave and there is no interference.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Point particle tripples are infinitely small. This is a proton and a > > neutron. All particles are infinitely small. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > Are you refuting your own statements? > > "Light is [a] ... wave ... whose ... energy ... collapses ... into ... > [a] ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > "light wave ... oscillating into ... mass" is the photon 'particle'. > > "Light ... is ... small particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > "Light collapsing into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > "Oscillating into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > If detectors are placed at the exits to the slits in a double slit > experiment the 'particle' is always detected exiting a single slit. > The ability of light to collapse into a particle travels a single > path. The light wave enters and exits both slits in a double slit > experiment. The ability of the light to collapse into a particle > enters and exits a single slit. The light wave exits both slits and > creates interference which alters the direction the 'particle' > travels. Detecting the 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated > wave and there is no interference.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Seeing everything as a time flow form means to see that aether flows over all energy points at all times. Energy point with flowing aether over it together make up a time form. Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 24 May 2010 20:06 On May 24, 7:33 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On May 24, 4:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 24, 5:23 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On May 24, 12:02 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 24, 3:00 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On May 24, 11:44 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On May 24, 1:19 pm, spudnik <Space...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > yeah, but you don't need the particle, at all; > > > > > > > Are you refuting your own statement? > > > > > > > "the wave of light travels through both slits, whence it recombines > > > > > > through constructive interference, and collapses as a single quantum" > > > > > > > The collapse of the wave as a "single quantum" is the photon > > > > > > 'particle'. > > > > > > > The ability of the wave to collapse into a "single quantum" occupies a > > > > > > very small region of the wave itself and travels a single path. > > > > > > > In a double slit experiment the photon 'particle' always enters and > > > > > > exits a single slit and the associated photon wave enters and exits > > > > > > both slits. The photon wave creates interference upon exiting the > > > > > > slits which alters the direction the photon 'particle' travels. > > > > > > Detecting the photon 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated > > > > > > photon wave (i.e. turns the wave into chop) and there is no > > > > > > interference. > > > > > > The proton has no radius. It is an infinitely small trio of point > > > > > energies known of as quarks. > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > Are you refuting your own statements? > > > > > "Light is [a] ... wave ... whose ... energy ... collapses ... into .... > > > > [a] ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > > "light wave ... oscillating into ... mass" is the photon 'particle'.. > > > > > "Light ... is ... small particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > > "Light collapsing into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > > "Oscillating into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > > If detectors are placed at the exits to the slits in a double slit > > > > experiment the 'particle' is always detected exiting a single slit. > > > > The ability of light to collapse into a particle travels a single > > > > path. The light wave enters and exits both slits in a double slit > > > > experiment. The ability of the light to collapse into a particle > > > > enters and exits a single slit. The light wave exits both slits and > > > > creates interference which alters the direction the 'particle' > > > > travels. Detecting the 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated > > > > wave and there is no interference.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Point particle tripples are infinitely small. This is a proton and a > > > neutron. All particles are infinitely small. > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > Are you refuting your own statements? > > > "Light is [a] ... wave ... whose ... energy ... collapses ... into ... > > [a] ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > "light wave ... oscillating into ... mass" is the photon 'particle'. > > > "Light ... is ... small particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > "Light collapsing into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > "Oscillating into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > If detectors are placed at the exits to the slits in a double slit > > experiment the 'particle' is always detected exiting a single slit. > > The ability of light to collapse into a particle travels a single > > path. The light wave enters and exits both slits in a double slit > > experiment. The ability of the light to collapse into a particle > > enters and exits a single slit. The light wave exits both slits and > > creates interference which alters the direction the 'particle' > > travels. Detecting the 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated > > wave and there is no interference.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Seeing everything as a time flow form means to see that aether flows > over all energy points at all times. Energy point with flowing aether > over it together make up a time form. > > Mitch Raemsch Are you refuting your own statements? "Light is [a] ... wave ... whose ... energy ... collapses ... into ... [a] ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. "light wave ... oscillating into ... mass" is the photon 'particle'. "Light ... is ... small particle" is the photon 'particle'. "Light collapsing into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. "Oscillating into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. If detectors are placed at the exits to the slits in a double slit experiment the 'particle' is always detected exiting a single slit. The ability of light to collapse into a particle travels a single path. The light wave enters and exits both slits in a double slit experiment. The ability of the light to collapse into a particle enters and exits a single slit. The light wave exits both slits and creates interference which alters the direction the 'particle' travels. Detecting the 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated wave and there is no interference.
From: spudnik on 25 May 2010 16:53 you have slightly misconstrued. the wave-energy seems to be adequately tuned to the electromagnetic property of the atom, and *that* is the "particle" into which it "collapses," not the quantum-called-photon. the photon is nothing but a coinage for a unit of light-energy, as-and-when "detected" by a device or cone of the eye (the rods & cones are "log-spiral antennae" .-) nothing in Planck's analysis requires a rock o'light, and probably not really in Einstein's; so, there. > > > > > > > The solution to the corner you have painted yourself into is simple. > > > > > > > Decide a photon propagates as a wave and is detected as a particle. > > > > > > > That is what you are suggesting in all of your quotes above, > > > > > > > especially: > > > > > > > > "Light collapsing into ... particle". > > > Which is a very small region of the photon "wave collapses into the > > > particle" is the photon 'particle'. --Pi, the surfer's canonical value -- accept no other! http://wlym.com
From: mpc755 on 25 May 2010 19:20
On May 25, 4:53 pm, spudnik <Space...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > you have slightly misconstrued. the wave-energy seems > to be adequately tuned to the electromagnetic property > of the atom, and *that* is the "particle" > into which it "collapses," not the quantum-called-photon. > However you want to try and describe it without using the term 'particle' that is exactly what you are describing. In your following quote, what you are describing is the photon 'particle': "the wave of light travels through both slits, whence it recombines through constructive interference, and collapses as a single quantum" The photon wave travels through both slits. The ability of the photon wave to collapse and be detected as a single quantum occupies a very small region of the wave and travels a single path. |