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From: Jonathan Gardner on 9 Feb 2010 16:41 On Feb 9, 1:51 am, waku <w...(a)idi.ntnu.no> wrote: > 'stupid', 'wrong', 'deficient', 'terrible', ... you're using strong > words instead of concrete arguments, it might intimidate your > opponents, but is hardly helpful in a fair discussion. > In today's day and age, I don't know how a text editor which cannot do simple indentation can be considered anything but "stupid", "wrong", "deficient", and "terrible". There is simply no excuse for this kind of behavior on the part of the text editor. I mean, how long has vi had the auto indent feature? How many decades has emacs supported the same? This isn't new technology, or difficult technology to implement. It's not even non-standard anymore. Heck, far more advanced features, such as syntax highlighting, are standard in all text editors. Your problem is you're using something like Windows Notepad to edit your code. Windows Notepad is a terrible tool for writing anything, let alone writing code. Why in the world would any programming language adapt itself to the mental deficiencies of Windows Notepad? I mean, if you were an artist, would you use MS Paint to do anything serious? If you did, would you complain that the art world has a problem because they don't accept your paintings? I strongly suggest you download one of the *hundreds* of free text editors available for the Windows platform that give you the indentation features you so sorely lack. I suggest ViM, though it has a steep learning curve.
From: waku on 10 Feb 2010 09:33 On Feb 9, 10:41 pm, Jonathan Gardner <jgard...(a)jonathangardner.net> wrote: > On Feb 9, 1:51 am, waku <w...(a)idi.ntnu.no> wrote: > > > 'stupid', 'wrong', 'deficient', 'terrible', ... you're using strong > > words instead of concrete arguments, it might intimidate your > > opponents, but is hardly helpful in a fair discussion. > > In today's day and age, I don't know how a text editor which cannot do > simple indentation can be considered anything but "stupid", "wrong", > "deficient", and "terrible". There is simply no excuse for this kind > of behavior on the part of the text editor. i thought we were not discussing text editors, why should you insist so much on diverting attention from the issue of a programmer being *forced* to keep perfect indentation to the issue of an editor doing autoindent or the like. > > I mean, how long has vi had the auto indent feature? How many decades > has emacs supported the same? This isn't new technology, or difficult > technology to implement. It's not even non-standard anymore. Heck, far > more advanced features, such as syntax highlighting, are standard in > all text editors. wow! and then, back to the issue of enforced indentation in python? > Your problem is you're using something like Windows Notepad to edit > your code. thin ice! you haven't got the faintest idea of what i use to edit my code, do you. Windows Notepad is a terrible tool for writing anything, > let alone writing code. Why in the world would any programming > language adapt itself to the mental deficiencies of Windows Notepad? I > mean, if you were an artist, would you use MS Paint to do anything > serious? If you did, would you complain that the art world has a > problem because they don't accept your paintings? > > I strongly suggest you download one of the *hundreds* of free text > editors available for the Windows platform that give you the > indentation features you so sorely lack. I suggest ViM, though it has > a steep learning curve. listen to what people say before responding, and stop showing off. again, you haven't used a single reasonable argument here. vQ
From: Steve Holden on 10 Feb 2010 09:51 waku wrote: > On Feb 9, 10:41 pm, Jonathan Gardner <jgard...(a)jonathangardner.net> > wrote: >> On Feb 9, 1:51 am, waku <w...(a)idi.ntnu.no> wrote: >> >>> 'stupid', 'wrong', 'deficient', 'terrible', ... you're using strong >>> words instead of concrete arguments, it might intimidate your >>> opponents, but is hardly helpful in a fair discussion. >> In today's day and age, I don't know how a text editor which cannot do >> simple indentation can be considered anything but "stupid", "wrong", >> "deficient", and "terrible". There is simply no excuse for this kind >> of behavior on the part of the text editor. > > i thought we were not discussing text editors, why should you insist > so much on diverting attention from the issue of a programmer being > *forced* to keep perfect indentation to the issue of an editor doing > autoindent or the like. > It's as sensible to complain about people being "*forced* to keep perfect indentation" as it is to complain about people being *forced* to use braces to delimit code blocks. This is called "syntax", and it's a part of the language, so get over it - this aspect of Python has been present in the language since its inception, and it isn't going to change. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +1 571 484 6266 +1 800 494 3119 PyCon is coming! Atlanta, Feb 2010 http://us.pycon.org/ Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/ UPCOMING EVENTS: http://holdenweb.eventbrite.com/
From: Andreas Waldenburger on 10 Feb 2010 13:30
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:51:11 -0500 Steve Holden <steve(a)holdenweb.com> wrote: > [snip] > It's as sensible to complain about people being "*forced* to keep > perfect indentation" as it is to complain about people being *forced* > to use braces to delimit code blocks. > > This is called "syntax", and it's a part of the language, so get over > it - this aspect of Python has been present in the language since its > inception, and it isn't going to change. > Amen. Now everybody do a quick from __future__ import braces and get back to work. /W -- INVALID? DE! |