Python and Ruby
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From: alex23 on 1 Feb 2010 01:43 Steven D'Aprano <ste...(a)REMOVE.THIS.cybersource.com.au> wrote: > You're using that term wrong. It looks to me that you don't actually know > what a straw man argument is. A straw man argument is when somebody > responds to a deliberately weakened or invalid argument as if it had been > made by their opponent. Jeez, Steve, you're beginning to sound like some kind of fallacy zealot... ;)
From: Steven D'Aprano on 1 Feb 2010 02:12 On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:43:56 -0800, alex23 wrote: > Steven D'Aprano <ste...(a)REMOVE.THIS.cybersource.com.au> wrote: >> You're using that term wrong. It looks to me that you don't actually >> know what a straw man argument is. A straw man argument is when >> somebody responds to a deliberately weakened or invalid argument as if >> it had been made by their opponent. > > Jeez, Steve, you're beginning to sound like some kind of fallacy > zealot... ;) Death to all those who confuse agumentum ad populum with argumentum ad verecundiam!!! -- Steven
From: Paul Rubin on 1 Feb 2010 02:24 Chris Rebert <clp2(a)rebertia.com> writes: > get_popular_name would have the type: IO () -> IO String I don't know if it makes the explanation any clearer, but I think that isn't quite right. The Python version would have type String -> IO String. The parameterless Haskell version would just be an I/O action, with type IO String. IO () is not really involved.
From: Steve Holden on 1 Feb 2010 07:55 Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:43:56 -0800, alex23 wrote: > >> Steven D'Aprano <ste...(a)REMOVE.THIS.cybersource.com.au> wrote: >>> You're using that term wrong. It looks to me that you don't actually >>> know what a straw man argument is. A straw man argument is when >>> somebody responds to a deliberately weakened or invalid argument as if >>> it had been made by their opponent. >> Jeez, Steve, you're beginning to sound like some kind of fallacy >> zealot... ;) > > Death to all those who confuse agumentum ad populum with argumentum ad > verecundiam!!! > > Yeah, what did the zealots ever do for us? regards Steve -- Steve Holden +1 571 484 6266 +1 800 494 3119 PyCon is coming! Atlanta, Feb 2010 http://us.pycon.org/ Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/ UPCOMING EVENTS: http://holdenweb.eventbrite.com/
From: Jonathan Gardner on 1 Feb 2010 17:13
On Jan 30, 8:43 am, Nobody <nob...(a)nowhere.com> wrote: > On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:29:05 -0800, Jonathan Gardner wrote: > > Python is much, much cleaner. I don't know how anyone can honestly say > > Ruby is cleaner than Python. > > I'm not familiar with Ruby, but most languages are cleaner than Python > once you get beyond the "10-minute introduction" stage. > Probably too little, too late (haven't read all of the replies yet...) I judge a language's simplicity by how long it takes to explain the complete language. That is, what minimal set of documentation do you need to describe all of the language? With a handful of statements, and a very short list of operators, Python beats out every language in the Algol family that I know of. I can think of only one language (or rather, a class of languages) that can every hope to be shorter than Python. I doubt you've heard of it based on your comments, but I suggest you look into it. Unfortunately, to fully appreciate that language, you're going to have to study a textbook called "SICP". At the end of that textbook, you are blessed to not only see but understand the complete compiler for the language, in the language itself. |