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From: Huang on 13 May 2010 10:03
On May 13, 8:45 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 13, 9:22 am, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I send someone to fetch me a "colored piece of paper", and that is all
> > the information they are given. And they _must_ comply with this very
> > unreasonable request.
>
> > When that person returns, he MUST posses a piece of paper which is a
> > superposition of all colors. We dont know what color it actually is
> > until I ask:
> > [1] What shade of blue is it ?
> > or maybe
> > [2] What shade of red did you bring ?
> > etc
>
> > It's not very difficult really - to see that this is indeed the case.
>
> > You dont know what color it is until you ask, and then you will have
> > any color you wish. That is QM.
>
> A moving particle has an associated aether wave. In a double slit
> experiment, the moving particle ALWAYS enters and exits a single slit
> and the wave enters and exits both slits. Upon exiting the slits the
> wave creates interference which alters the direction the particle
> travels. Detecting the particle causes decoherence of the associated
> aether wave (i.e. turns it into chop) and there is no interference.
> That is what occurs physically in nature.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


I tell someone to go fetch me a polygon. They must comply, but that is
all the information I provide them.

When they return I ask "what is the area of the square"
or
"What is the hypoteneuse of the triangle"
or
"What is the diameter of the circle you brought"

Until I ask that question it is indeterminate whether they returned
with a square, a triangle, or a circle. That is what photons and
electrons are doing as well, and it is because they are composed of
nothing more than deformations in spacetime. They are composed of
dimension and nothing more than that, and space as we know can be
bent.






From: mpc755 on 13 May 2010 10:11
On May 13, 10:03 am, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 13, 8:45 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 13, 9:22 am, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > I send someone to fetch me a "colored piece of paper", and that is all
> > > the information they are given. And they _must_ comply with this very
> > > unreasonable request.
>
> > > When that person returns, he MUST posses a piece of paper which is a
> > > superposition of all colors. We dont know what color it actually is
> > > until I ask:
> > > [1] What shade of blue is it ?
> > > or maybe
> > > [2] What shade of red did you bring ?
> > > etc
>
> > > It's not very difficult really - to see that this is indeed the case.
>
> > > You dont know what color it is until you ask, and then you will have
> > > any color you wish. That is QM.
>
> > A moving particle has an associated aether wave. In a double slit
> > experiment, the moving particle ALWAYS enters and exits a single slit
> > and the wave enters and exits both slits. Upon exiting the slits the
> > wave creates interference which alters the direction the particle
> > travels. Detecting the particle causes decoherence of the associated
> > aether wave (i.e. turns it into chop) and there is no interference.
> > That is what occurs physically in nature.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I tell someone to go fetch me a polygon. They must comply, but that is
> all the information I provide them.
>
> When they return I ask "what is the area of the square"
> or
> "What is the hypoteneuse of the triangle"
> or
> "What is the diameter of the circle you brought"
>
> Until I ask that question it is indeterminate whether they returned
> with a square, a triangle, or a circle.  That is what photons and
> electrons are doing as well, and it is because they are composed of
> nothing more than deformations in spacetime. They are composed of
> dimension and nothing more than that, and space as we know can be
> bent.

A particle is in the slit(s). Detectors are placed at the exits to the
slits. The particle is ALWAYS detected exiting a single slit. A
particle is in the slit(s). Detectors are placed and removed form the
exits to the slits. The particle creates an interference pattern in
and of itself.

How is this possible?

It isn't.

The moving particle has an associated aether wave. The particle ALWAYS
enters and exits a single slit. The associated aether wave enters and
exits both slits. The associated aether wave creates interference upon
exiting the slits which alters the direction the particle travels.
Detecting the particle causes decoherence of the associated aether
wave (i.e. turns the wave into chop) and there is no interference.
From: Laurent on 13 May 2010 12:11
On May 13, 8:12 am, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 13, 6:33 am, Laurent <cyberd...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > John S. Bell was right. As already confirmed by Quantum Mechanics, the
> > Universe violates locality at the quantum level. Local realism applies
> > only at the classical level.
>
> > The collapse of the wave packet on the EPR and Aspect experiments
> > doesn't just come from human knowledge acquired during the measuring
> > process but from a holistic awareness property intrinsic to all
> > matter. And, as Eugene V. Stefanovich contends: interactions, not
> > forces, are instantaneously registered throughout space.
>
> Spacetime is indeterminately continuous / discrete. It can behave as
> either one or the other - as you wish. All you need to do is set up
> experiments treating it one way or the other and it will accomidate
> you.
>
> The speed at which it accomidates you is instantaneous throughout the
> universe, because there are no forces involved in this process, it is
> strictly an aspect of the fabric of spacetime.
>
> As a thought experiment:
> I send someoen out to fetch me some "random quantity of rope".  I did
> not specify whather I wanted a continuous piece or discrete chunks.
> When that person returns to me, depending on how I ask - I should be
> able to get either answer. If I ask "how many chunks did you bring" I
> should get a discretized answer. If I dont ask "how many chunks" then
> by default I must ask "how big is the piece" which would neccesarily
> be continuous. This is exactly what happens in the double slit
> experiment, and why we have which-way information.
>
> If I fill the entire universe with servants and send them all out to
> fetch me some "random amount of rope", then the same process explained
> above should be instantaneous throughout the entire universe. I should
> be able to expect that the entire universe will contain discrete
> chunks if I ask for that, or alternatively it would be filled with
> continuous pieces if I ask for that. This should happen
> instantaneously because it is really indeterminate whether the rope is
> continuous or discrete until it has been brought back to me at which
> point I must ask for one or the other. As soon as I have asked for one
> or the other - it must be instantaneous that an entire universe filled
> with rope would neccesarily comply.
>
> By asking whether continuous or discrete, I am really getting which
> way information. It has to be instantaneous and the whole thing is
> dirt simple.

Right.

Each time the wave function collapses, or we have a state vector
reduction, the rock-like state of that particle is defined in
spacetime, as required by spacetime laws.

Particle creation occurs according to local spacetime's energetic or
thermodynamical requirements. Reality is process and process happens
as spacetime.

The rest of the information needed for the evolution of the system in
spacetime is contained by the system itself, in spacetime.

Information, not state, is transmitted by material mediums and then
stored as matter in spacetime. Thanks to the Aether, state is
instantaneously registered throughout the system.

The particle must first be in thermal equilibrium with the environment
before it can exist as matter in spacetime, that is the law.
From: Laurent on 13 May 2010 12:17
On May 13, 10:11 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 13, 10:03 am, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 13, 8:45 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 13, 9:22 am, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I send someone to fetch me a "colored piece of paper", and that is all
> > > > the information they are given. And they _must_ comply with this very
> > > > unreasonable request.
>
> > > > When that person returns, he MUST posses a piece of paper which is a
> > > > superposition of all colors. We dont know what color it actually is
> > > > until I ask:
> > > > [1] What shade of blue is it ?
> > > > or maybe
> > > > [2] What shade of red did you bring ?
> > > > etc
>
> > > > It's not very difficult really - to see that this is indeed the case.
>
> > > > You dont know what color it is until you ask, and then you will have
> > > > any color you wish. That is QM.
>
> > > A moving particle has an associated aether wave. In a double slit
> > > experiment, the moving particle ALWAYS enters and exits a single slit
> > > and the wave enters and exits both slits. Upon exiting the slits the
> > > wave creates interference which alters the direction the particle
> > > travels. Detecting the particle causes decoherence of the associated
> > > aether wave (i.e. turns it into chop) and there is no interference.
> > > That is what occurs physically in nature.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > I tell someone to go fetch me a polygon. They must comply, but that is
> > all the information I provide them.
>
> > When they return I ask "what is the area of the square"
> > or
> > "What is the hypoteneuse of the triangle"
> > or
> > "What is the diameter of the circle you brought"
>
> > Until I ask that question it is indeterminate whether they returned
> > with a square, a triangle, or a circle.  That is what photons and
> > electrons are doing as well, and it is because they are composed of
> > nothing more than deformations in spacetime. They are composed of
> > dimension and nothing more than that, and space as we know can be
> > bent.
>
> A particle is in the slit(s). Detectors are placed at the exits to the
> slits. The particle is ALWAYS detected exiting a single slit. A
> particle is in the slit(s). Detectors are placed and removed form the
> exits to the slits. The particle creates an interference pattern in
> and of itself.
>
> How is this possible?
>
> It isn't.
>
> The moving particle has an associated aether wave. The particle ALWAYS
> enters and exits a single slit. The associated aether wave enters and
> exits both slits. The associated aether wave creates interference upon
> exiting the slits which alters the direction the particle travels.
> Detecting the particle causes decoherence of the associated aether
> wave (i.e. turns the wave into chop) and there is no interference.

John Von Neumann was right when he said that the evolution of the
Schrödinger wave depends on quantum mechanical observables, implying
that this information can only come from spacetime. Yet, since the
theory considers brains to be quantum measuring devices, it includes
human observers as efficacious agents. The only reason human brains
entered the equation was that, as they received light (EMR) coming
from the particle, just as all objects in spacetime do, information
about momentum and location of the particle, which is vital to
maintain energy conservation laws, became known to the particle/
system, allowing it to complete the feedback control loop and continue
to condense.

So Quantum Mechanics' big mystery was - why do I have to observe
Schrödinger's cat in order for it to live or die? The answer is that
our brains are measuring devices, just as the rest of all matter. We
are the best quantum measuring device that ever emerged from all the
information processing that has transcurred in our neighborhood to
this date. Interactions within a system, like a brain for example,
depend on more than the information it gets through the senses.

Perception is a very old natural function inherent in all matter, not
some exclusive human ability. Particles in spacetime perceive, select
and integrate into their wave function only that information which is
important or useful to them in their endless quest for thermal
efficiency and equilibrium. Our mind, with all of its mental waves and
accompanying frequencies, became the modern version of that same
holistic awareness function after 14 billion years of information
processing, autopoiesis and evolution.
From: mpc755 on 13 May 2010 12:29
On May 13, 12:17 pm, Laurent <cyberd...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 13, 10:11 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 13, 10:03 am, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 13, 8:45 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 13, 9:22 am, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > I send someone to fetch me a "colored piece of paper", and that is all
> > > > > the information they are given. And they _must_ comply with this very
> > > > > unreasonable request.
>
> > > > > When that person returns, he MUST posses a piece of paper which is a
> > > > > superposition of all colors. We dont know what color it actually is
> > > > > until I ask:
> > > > > [1] What shade of blue is it ?
> > > > > or maybe
> > > > > [2] What shade of red did you bring ?
> > > > > etc
>
> > > > > It's not very difficult really - to see that this is indeed the case.
>
> > > > > You dont know what color it is until you ask, and then you will have
> > > > > any color you wish. That is QM.
>
> > > > A moving particle has an associated aether wave. In a double slit
> > > > experiment, the moving particle ALWAYS enters and exits a single slit
> > > > and the wave enters and exits both slits. Upon exiting the slits the
> > > > wave creates interference which alters the direction the particle
> > > > travels. Detecting the particle causes decoherence of the associated
> > > > aether wave (i.e. turns it into chop) and there is no interference.
> > > > That is what occurs physically in nature.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > I tell someone to go fetch me a polygon. They must comply, but that is
> > > all the information I provide them.
>
> > > When they return I ask "what is the area of the square"
> > > or
> > > "What is the hypoteneuse of the triangle"
> > > or
> > > "What is the diameter of the circle you brought"
>
> > > Until I ask that question it is indeterminate whether they returned
> > > with a square, a triangle, or a circle.  That is what photons and
> > > electrons are doing as well, and it is because they are composed of
> > > nothing more than deformations in spacetime. They are composed of
> > > dimension and nothing more than that, and space as we know can be
> > > bent.
>
> > A particle is in the slit(s). Detectors are placed at the exits to the
> > slits. The particle is ALWAYS detected exiting a single slit. A
> > particle is in the slit(s). Detectors are placed and removed form the
> > exits to the slits. The particle creates an interference pattern in
> > and of itself.
>
> > How is this possible?
>
> > It isn't.
>
> > The moving particle has an associated aether wave. The particle ALWAYS
> > enters and exits a single slit. The associated aether wave enters and
> > exits both slits. The associated aether wave creates interference upon
> > exiting the slits which alters the direction the particle travels.
> > Detecting the particle causes decoherence of the associated aether
> > wave (i.e. turns the wave into chop) and there is no interference.
>
> John Von Neumann was right when he said that the evolution of the
> Schrödinger wave depends on quantum mechanical observables, implying
> that this information can only come from spacetime. Yet, since the
> theory considers brains to be quantum measuring devices, it includes
> human observers as efficacious agents. The only reason human brains
> entered the equation was that, as they received light (EMR) coming
> from the particle, just as all objects in spacetime do, information
> about momentum and location of the particle, which is vital to
> maintain energy conservation laws, became known to the particle/
> system, allowing it to complete the feedback control loop and continue
> to condense.
>
> So Quantum Mechanics' big mystery was - why do I have to observe
> Schrödinger's cat in order for it to live or die? The answer is that
> our brains are measuring devices, just as the rest of all matter. We
> are the best quantum measuring device that ever emerged from all the
> information processing that has transcurred in our neighborhood to
> this date. Interactions within a system, like a brain for example,
> depend on more than the information it gets through the senses.
>
> Perception is a very old natural function inherent in all matter, not
> some exclusive human ability. Particles in spacetime perceive, select
> and integrate into their wave function only that information which is
> important or useful to them in their endless quest for thermal
> efficiency and equilibrium. Our mind, with all of its mental waves and
> accompanying frequencies, became the modern version of that same
> holistic awareness function after 14 billion years of information
> processing, autopoiesis and evolution.

'Interpretation of quantum mechanics
by the double solution theory
Louis de BROGLIE'

http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf

"When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was
looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles,
of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in
his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the
physical reality of waves and particles."

"Such is, in its main lines, the present state of the Wave mechanics
interpretation by the double-solution theory, and its thermodynamical
extension. I think that when this interpretation is further
elaborated, extended, and eventually modified in some of its aspects,
it will lead to a better understanding of the true coexistence of
waves and particles about which actual Quantum mechanics only gives
statistical information, often correct, but in my opinion incomplete."

'LOUIS DE BROGLIE
The wave nature of the electron
Nobel Lecture, December 12, 1929'

"I thus arrived at the following overall concept which guided my
studies: for both matter and radiations, light in particular, it is
necessary to introduce the corpuscle concept and the wave concept at
the same time. In other words the existence of corpuscles accompanied
by waves has to be assumed in all cases."

The 'particle' associated with the photon exists at all times, travels
a single path, and always occupies a particular point in space.
However, without detection, it can not be determined exactly where
that point is in three dimensional space.
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