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From: mpc755 on 13 May 2010 12:45
On May 13, 12:38 pm, Uncle Al <Uncle...(a)hate.spam.net> wrote:
> Laurent wrote:
> > As we already know, matter and space are one and the same thing
>

Matter and aether are one and the same material.
I have named this material mæther.
From: Laurent on 13 May 2010 13:24
On May 13, 12:29 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 13, 12:17 pm, Laurent <cyberd...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 13, 10:11 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 13, 10:03 am, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 13, 8:45 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On May 13, 9:22 am, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > I send someone to fetch me a "colored piece of paper", and that is all
> > > > > > the information they are given. And they _must_ comply with this very
> > > > > > unreasonable request.
>
> > > > > > When that person returns, he MUST posses a piece of paper which is a
> > > > > > superposition of all colors. We dont know what color it actually is
> > > > > > until I ask:
> > > > > > [1] What shade of blue is it ?
> > > > > > or maybe
> > > > > > [2] What shade of red did you bring ?
> > > > > > etc
>
> > > > > > It's not very difficult really - to see that this is indeed the case.
>
> > > > > > You dont know what color it is until you ask, and then you will have
> > > > > > any color you wish. That is QM.
>
> > > > > A moving particle has an associated aether wave. In a double slit
> > > > > experiment, the moving particle ALWAYS enters and exits a single slit
> > > > > and the wave enters and exits both slits. Upon exiting the slits the
> > > > > wave creates interference which alters the direction the particle
> > > > > travels. Detecting the particle causes decoherence of the associated
> > > > > aether wave (i.e. turns it into chop) and there is no interference.
> > > > > That is what occurs physically in nature.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > I tell someone to go fetch me a polygon. They must comply, but that is
> > > > all the information I provide them.
>
> > > > When they return I ask "what is the area of the square"
> > > > or
> > > > "What is the hypoteneuse of the triangle"
> > > > or
> > > > "What is the diameter of the circle you brought"
>
> > > > Until I ask that question it is indeterminate whether they returned
> > > > with a square, a triangle, or a circle.  That is what photons and
> > > > electrons are doing as well, and it is because they are composed of
> > > > nothing more than deformations in spacetime. They are composed of
> > > > dimension and nothing more than that, and space as we know can be
> > > > bent.
>
> > > A particle is in the slit(s). Detectors are placed at the exits to the
> > > slits. The particle is ALWAYS detected exiting a single slit. A
> > > particle is in the slit(s). Detectors are placed and removed form the
> > > exits to the slits. The particle creates an interference pattern in
> > > and of itself.
>
> > > How is this possible?
>
> > > It isn't.
>
> > > The moving particle has an associated aether wave. The particle ALWAYS
> > > enters and exits a single slit. The associated aether wave enters and
> > > exits both slits. The associated aether wave creates interference upon
> > > exiting the slits which alters the direction the particle travels.
> > > Detecting the particle causes decoherence of the associated aether
> > > wave (i.e. turns the wave into chop) and there is no interference.
>
> > John Von Neumann was right when he said that the evolution of the
> > Schrödinger wave depends on quantum mechanical observables, implying
> > that this information can only come from spacetime. Yet, since the
> > theory considers brains to be quantum measuring devices, it includes
> > human observers as efficacious agents. The only reason human brains
> > entered the equation was that, as they received light (EMR) coming
> > from the particle, just as all objects in spacetime do, information
> > about momentum and location of the particle, which is vital to
> > maintain energy conservation laws, became known to the particle/
> > system, allowing it to complete the feedback control loop and continue
> > to condense.
>
> > So Quantum Mechanics' big mystery was - why do I have to observe
> > Schrödinger's cat in order for it to live or die? The answer is that
> > our brains are measuring devices, just as the rest of all matter. We
> > are the best quantum measuring device that ever emerged from all the
> > information processing that has transcurred in our neighborhood to
> > this date. Interactions within a system, like a brain for example,
> > depend on more than the information it gets through the senses.
>
> > Perception is a very old natural function inherent in all matter, not
> > some exclusive human ability. Particles in spacetime perceive, select
> > and integrate into their wave function only that information which is
> > important or useful to them in their endless quest for thermal
> > efficiency and equilibrium. Our mind, with all of its mental waves and
> > accompanying frequencies, became the modern version of that same
> > holistic awareness function after 14 billion years of information
> > processing, autopoiesis and evolution.
>
> 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics
> by the double solution theory
> Louis de BROGLIE'
>
> http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf
>
> "When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was
> looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles,
> of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in
> his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the
> physical reality of waves and particles."
>
> "Such is, in its main lines, the present state of the Wave mechanics
> interpretation by the double-solution theory, and its thermodynamical
> extension. I think that when this interpretation is further
> elaborated, extended, and eventually modified in some of its aspects,
> it will lead to a better understanding of the true coexistence of
> waves and particles about which actual Quantum mechanics only gives
> statistical information, often correct, but in my opinion incomplete."
>
> 'LOUIS DE BROGLIE
> The wave nature of the electron
> Nobel Lecture, December 12, 1929'
>
> "I thus arrived at the following overall concept which guided my
> studies: for both matter and radiations, light in particular, it is
> necessary to introduce the corpuscle concept and the wave concept at
> the same time. In other words the existence of corpuscles accompanied
> by waves has to be assumed in all cases."
>
> The 'particle' associated with the photon exists at all times, travels
> a single path, and always occupies a particular point in space.
> However, without detection, it can not be determined exactly where
> that point is in three dimensional space.

Right, matter is wave and particle at all times.
From: mpc755 on 13 May 2010 13:37
On May 13, 1:24 pm, Laurent <cyberd...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 13, 12:29 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 13, 12:17 pm, Laurent <cyberd...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 13, 10:11 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 13, 10:03 am, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On May 13, 8:45 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On May 13, 9:22 am, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > I send someone to fetch me a "colored piece of paper", and that is all
> > > > > > > the information they are given. And they _must_ comply with this very
> > > > > > > unreasonable request.
>
> > > > > > > When that person returns, he MUST posses a piece of paper which is a
> > > > > > > superposition of all colors. We dont know what color it actually is
> > > > > > > until I ask:
> > > > > > > [1] What shade of blue is it ?
> > > > > > > or maybe
> > > > > > > [2] What shade of red did you bring ?
> > > > > > > etc
>
> > > > > > > It's not very difficult really - to see that this is indeed the case.
>
> > > > > > > You dont know what color it is until you ask, and then you will have
> > > > > > > any color you wish. That is QM.
>
> > > > > > A moving particle has an associated aether wave. In a double slit
> > > > > > experiment, the moving particle ALWAYS enters and exits a single slit
> > > > > > and the wave enters and exits both slits. Upon exiting the slits the
> > > > > > wave creates interference which alters the direction the particle
> > > > > > travels. Detecting the particle causes decoherence of the associated
> > > > > > aether wave (i.e. turns it into chop) and there is no interference.
> > > > > > That is what occurs physically in nature.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > I tell someone to go fetch me a polygon. They must comply, but that is
> > > > > all the information I provide them.
>
> > > > > When they return I ask "what is the area of the square"
> > > > > or
> > > > > "What is the hypoteneuse of the triangle"
> > > > > or
> > > > > "What is the diameter of the circle you brought"
>
> > > > > Until I ask that question it is indeterminate whether they returned
> > > > > with a square, a triangle, or a circle.  That is what photons and
> > > > > electrons are doing as well, and it is because they are composed of
> > > > > nothing more than deformations in spacetime. They are composed of
> > > > > dimension and nothing more than that, and space as we know can be
> > > > > bent.
>
> > > > A particle is in the slit(s). Detectors are placed at the exits to the
> > > > slits. The particle is ALWAYS detected exiting a single slit. A
> > > > particle is in the slit(s). Detectors are placed and removed form the
> > > > exits to the slits. The particle creates an interference pattern in
> > > > and of itself.
>
> > > > How is this possible?
>
> > > > It isn't.
>
> > > > The moving particle has an associated aether wave. The particle ALWAYS
> > > > enters and exits a single slit. The associated aether wave enters and
> > > > exits both slits. The associated aether wave creates interference upon
> > > > exiting the slits which alters the direction the particle travels.
> > > > Detecting the particle causes decoherence of the associated aether
> > > > wave (i.e. turns the wave into chop) and there is no interference.
>
> > > John Von Neumann was right when he said that the evolution of the
> > > Schrödinger wave depends on quantum mechanical observables, implying
> > > that this information can only come from spacetime. Yet, since the
> > > theory considers brains to be quantum measuring devices, it includes
> > > human observers as efficacious agents. The only reason human brains
> > > entered the equation was that, as they received light (EMR) coming
> > > from the particle, just as all objects in spacetime do, information
> > > about momentum and location of the particle, which is vital to
> > > maintain energy conservation laws, became known to the particle/
> > > system, allowing it to complete the feedback control loop and continue
> > > to condense.
>
> > > So Quantum Mechanics' big mystery was - why do I have to observe
> > > Schrödinger's cat in order for it to live or die? The answer is that
> > > our brains are measuring devices, just as the rest of all matter. We
> > > are the best quantum measuring device that ever emerged from all the
> > > information processing that has transcurred in our neighborhood to
> > > this date. Interactions within a system, like a brain for example,
> > > depend on more than the information it gets through the senses.
>
> > > Perception is a very old natural function inherent in all matter, not
> > > some exclusive human ability. Particles in spacetime perceive, select
> > > and integrate into their wave function only that information which is
> > > important or useful to them in their endless quest for thermal
> > > efficiency and equilibrium. Our mind, with all of its mental waves and
> > > accompanying frequencies, became the modern version of that same
> > > holistic awareness function after 14 billion years of information
> > > processing, autopoiesis and evolution.
>
> > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics
> > by the double solution theory
> > Louis de BROGLIE'
>
> >http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf
>
> > "When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was
> > looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles,
> > of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in
> > his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the
> > physical reality of waves and particles."
>
> > "Such is, in its main lines, the present state of the Wave mechanics
> > interpretation by the double-solution theory, and its thermodynamical
> > extension. I think that when this interpretation is further
> > elaborated, extended, and eventually modified in some of its aspects,
> > it will lead to a better understanding of the true coexistence of
> > waves and particles about which actual Quantum mechanics only gives
> > statistical information, often correct, but in my opinion incomplete."
>
> > 'LOUIS DE BROGLIE
> > The wave nature of the electron
> > Nobel Lecture, December 12, 1929'
>
> > "I thus arrived at the following overall concept which guided my
> > studies: for both matter and radiations, light in particular, it is
> > necessary to introduce the corpuscle concept and the wave concept at
> > the same time. In other words the existence of corpuscles accompanied
> > by waves has to be assumed in all cases."
>
> > The 'particle' associated with the photon exists at all times, travels
> > a single path, and always occupies a particular point in space.
> > However, without detection, it can not be determined exactly where
> > that point is in three dimensional space.
>
> Right, matter is wave and particle at all times.

The particle occupies a very small region of the wave. In a double
slit experiment the particle enters and exits a single slit and the
wave enters and exits both slits. The wave creates interference upon
exiting the slits which alters the direction the particle travels.
Detecting the particle causes decoherence of the associated wave (i.e.
turns the wave into chop) and there is no interference.

If detectors are placed at the entrances or exits to the slits the
particle is ALWAYS detected entering or exiting a single slit because
the particle ALWAYS enters and exits a single slit.
From: BURT on 13 May 2010 14:12
On May 13, 10:37 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 13, 1:24 pm, Laurent <cyberd...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 13, 12:29 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 13, 12:17 pm, Laurent <cyberd...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 13, 10:11 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On May 13, 10:03 am, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On May 13, 8:45 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On May 13, 9:22 am, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > I send someone to fetch me a "colored piece of paper", and that is all
> > > > > > > > the information they are given. And they _must_ comply with this very
> > > > > > > > unreasonable request.
>
> > > > > > > > When that person returns, he MUST posses a piece of paper which is a
> > > > > > > > superposition of all colors. We dont know what color it actually is
> > > > > > > > until I ask:
> > > > > > > > [1] What shade of blue is it ?
> > > > > > > > or maybe
> > > > > > > > [2] What shade of red did you bring ?
> > > > > > > > etc
>
> > > > > > > > It's not very difficult really - to see that this is indeed the case.
>
> > > > > > > > You dont know what color it is until you ask, and then you will have
> > > > > > > > any color you wish. That is QM.
>
> > > > > > > A moving particle has an associated aether wave. In a double slit
> > > > > > > experiment, the moving particle ALWAYS enters and exits a single slit
> > > > > > > and the wave enters and exits both slits. Upon exiting the slits the
> > > > > > > wave creates interference which alters the direction the particle
> > > > > > > travels. Detecting the particle causes decoherence of the associated
> > > > > > > aether wave (i.e. turns it into chop) and there is no interference.
> > > > > > > That is what occurs physically in nature.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > I tell someone to go fetch me a polygon. They must comply, but that is
> > > > > > all the information I provide them.
>
> > > > > > When they return I ask "what is the area of the square"
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > "What is the hypoteneuse of the triangle"
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > "What is the diameter of the circle you brought"
>
> > > > > > Until I ask that question it is indeterminate whether they returned
> > > > > > with a square, a triangle, or a circle.  That is what photons and
> > > > > > electrons are doing as well, and it is because they are composed of
> > > > > > nothing more than deformations in spacetime. They are composed of
> > > > > > dimension and nothing more than that, and space as we know can be
> > > > > > bent.
>
> > > > > A particle is in the slit(s). Detectors are placed at the exits to the
> > > > > slits. The particle is ALWAYS detected exiting a single slit. A
> > > > > particle is in the slit(s). Detectors are placed and removed form the
> > > > > exits to the slits. The particle creates an interference pattern in
> > > > > and of itself.
>
> > > > > How is this possible?
>
> > > > > It isn't.
>
> > > > > The moving particle has an associated aether wave. The particle ALWAYS
> > > > > enters and exits a single slit. The associated aether wave enters and
> > > > > exits both slits. The associated aether wave creates interference upon
> > > > > exiting the slits which alters the direction the particle travels..
> > > > > Detecting the particle causes decoherence of the associated aether
> > > > > wave (i.e. turns the wave into chop) and there is no interference..
>
> > > > John Von Neumann was right when he said that the evolution of the
> > > > Schrödinger wave depends on quantum mechanical observables, implying
> > > > that this information can only come from spacetime. Yet, since the
> > > > theory considers brains to be quantum measuring devices, it includes
> > > > human observers as efficacious agents. The only reason human brains
> > > > entered the equation was that, as they received light (EMR) coming
> > > > from the particle, just as all objects in spacetime do, information
> > > > about momentum and location of the particle, which is vital to
> > > > maintain energy conservation laws, became known to the particle/
> > > > system, allowing it to complete the feedback control loop and continue
> > > > to condense.
>
> > > > So Quantum Mechanics' big mystery was - why do I have to observe
> > > > Schrödinger's cat in order for it to live or die? The answer is that
> > > > our brains are measuring devices, just as the rest of all matter. We
> > > > are the best quantum measuring device that ever emerged from all the
> > > > information processing that has transcurred in our neighborhood to
> > > > this date. Interactions within a system, like a brain for example,
> > > > depend on more than the information it gets through the senses.
>
> > > > Perception is a very old natural function inherent in all matter, not
> > > > some exclusive human ability. Particles in spacetime perceive, select
> > > > and integrate into their wave function only that information which is
> > > > important or useful to them in their endless quest for thermal
> > > > efficiency and equilibrium. Our mind, with all of its mental waves and
> > > > accompanying frequencies, became the modern version of that same
> > > > holistic awareness function after 14 billion years of information
> > > > processing, autopoiesis and evolution.
>
> > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics
> > > by the double solution theory
> > > Louis de BROGLIE'
>
> > >http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf
>
> > > "When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was
> > > looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles,
> > > of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in
> > > his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the
> > > physical reality of waves and particles."
>
> > > "Such is, in its main lines, the present state of the Wave mechanics
> > > interpretation by the double-solution theory, and its thermodynamical
> > > extension. I think that when this interpretation is further
> > > elaborated, extended, and eventually modified in some of its aspects,
> > > it will lead to a better understanding of the true coexistence of
> > > waves and particles about which actual Quantum mechanics only gives
> > > statistical information, often correct, but in my opinion incomplete."
>
> > > 'LOUIS DE BROGLIE
> > > The wave nature of the electron
> > > Nobel Lecture, December 12, 1929'
>
> > > "I thus arrived at the following overall concept which guided my
> > > studies: for both matter and radiations, light in particular, it is
> > > necessary to introduce the corpuscle concept and the wave concept at
> > > the same time. In other words the existence of corpuscles accompanied
> > > by waves has to be assumed in all cases."
>
> > > The 'particle' associated with the photon exists at all times, travels
> > > a single path, and always occupies a particular point in space.
> > > However, without detection, it can not be determined exactly where
> > > that point is in three dimensional space.
>
> > Right, matter is wave and particle at all times.
>
> The particle occupies a very small region of the wave. In a double
> slit experiment the particle enters and exits a single slit and the
> wave enters and exits both slits. The wave creates interference upon
> exiting the slits which alters the direction the particle travels.
> Detecting the particle causes decoherence of the associated wave (i.e.
> turns the wave into chop) and there is no interference.
>
> If detectors are placed at the entrances or exits to the slits the
> particle is ALWAYS detected entering or exiting a single slit because
> the particle ALWAYS enters and exits a single slit.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Light on elecrons at the slits collapses the wave. The interference is
canceled and the particles pile up directly behind the two holes.

Mitch Raemsch
From: Uncle Al on 13 May 2010 16:09
mpc755 wrote:
>
> On May 13, 12:38 pm, Uncle Al <Uncle...(a)hate.spam.net> wrote:
> > Laurent wrote:
> > > As we already know, matter and space are one and the same thing
> >
>
> Matter and aether are one and the same material.
> I have named this material m�ther.

idiot
--
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