Question about gravity
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From: mpc755 on 17 Mar 2010 18:06 On Mar 17, 5:59 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 17, 4:51 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > The poster I was responding to has finally made it to the step of > > understand something physical causes gravity. The poster is a QM true > > believer so it must be excused if the best step the poster can offer > > is 'quanta is responsible' for gravity. > > > The point I was trying to make, which you completely misinterpreted, > > is if quanta is responsible for gravity then whatever you want to > > consider the quanta to physically exist as in order for it to be > > responsible for gravity, light from the sun is physically propagating > > in quanta. > > This is so cute. Note he says that quanta must be physically real, but > that quantum mechanics (which describes the behavior of quanta) is not > about stuff that is physically real. You're making my point. Gravity is physically real. Only in your interpretation of the absurd nonsense of QM can gravity not be physically real. If quanta is responsible for gravity then quanta is physically real and light waves from the Sun interact with the quanta responsible for the gravity associated with the Earth.
From: Esa Riihonen on 17 Mar 2010 18:42 mpc755 kirjoitti: > On Mar 17, 7:47 am, Esa Riihonen <e...(a)riihonen.net.not.invalid> wrote: >> mpc755 kirjoitti: >> >> >> >> > On Mar 16, 5:46 pm, Esa Riihonen <e...(a)riihonen.net.not.invalid> >> wrote: >> >> mpc755 kirjoitti: >> >> [snip] >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> I would like the following to fit on one line. Have at it: >> >> >>> The pressure associated with the aether displaced by massive >> >>> objects >> is >> >>> gravity. >> >> >> Here: >> >> >> Gravity can somehow be explained by the science of the 19th century. >> >> > I think I'll stick with: >> >> > Gravity: Pressure associated with aether displaced by massive >> > objects. >> >> By all means please do. Now it would be interesting to see your actual >> theory in action - that would mean a rigorous logical (read >> mathematical) framework to produce some numbers to compare with actual >> measurements. If I may suggest, calculating planetary orbits (including >> Mercury) would be a good point to start. >> >> > Aether Displacement is a physical interpretation of 'curved spacetime'. > The math has already been developed. > > Pressure associated with aether displaced by a massive object is > gravity. Perhaps the connection between the mathematical machinery of the GR and this aether pressure view is obvious - but frankly I just can't see it. Could you please elaborate. Thanks, Esa(R) -- A topologist is a person who doesn't know the difference between a coffee cup and a doughnut.
From: mpc755 on 17 Mar 2010 18:53 On Mar 17, 6:42 pm, Esa Riihonen <e...(a)riihonen.net.not.invalid> wrote: > mpc755 kirjoitti: > > > > > On Mar 17, 7:47 am, Esa Riihonen <e...(a)riihonen.net.not.invalid> wrote: > >> mpc755 kirjoitti: > > >> > On Mar 16, 5:46 pm, Esa Riihonen <e...(a)riihonen.net.not.invalid> > >> wrote: > >> >> mpc755 kirjoitti: > > >> [snip] > > >> >>> I would like the following to fit on one line. Have at it: > > >> >>> The pressure associated with the aether displaced by massive > >> >>> objects > >> is > >> >>> gravity. > > >> >> Here: > > >> >> Gravity can somehow be explained by the science of the 19th century.. > > >> > I think I'll stick with: > > >> > Gravity: Pressure associated with aether displaced by massive > >> > objects. > > >> By all means please do. Now it would be interesting to see your actual > >> theory in action - that would mean a rigorous logical (read > >> mathematical) framework to produce some numbers to compare with actual > >> measurements. If I may suggest, calculating planetary orbits (including > >> Mercury) would be a good point to start. > > > Aether Displacement is a physical interpretation of 'curved spacetime'. > > The math has already been developed. > > > Pressure associated with aether displaced by a massive object is > > gravity. > > Perhaps the connection between the mathematical machinery of the GR and > this aether pressure view is obvious - but frankly I just can't see it. > Could you please elaborate. > Matter and aether are different states of the same material. Some like to say aether is matter and others like to say matter is aether. In order to try and avoid this pointless discussion I say both matter and aether are different states of mather. Since matter and aether are different states of mather both matter and aether have mass. As the Earth orbits the Sun the aether which exists in front of the Earth's path does not disappear when the matter which is the Earth occupies the three dimensional space previously occupied by the aether. The aether does not vanish. The aether is displaced by the matter which is the Earth. The aether is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'. This 'displacing back' is the pressure the aether exerts towards the matter doing the displacing. How do we know there is a pressure associated with the aether displaced by a massive object? Because light from distant stars reaches us from where Jupiter was in its orbit (i.e. Jupiter does not leave a void in its wake). The pressure associated with the aether displaced by a massive object is gravity. The analogy is a bowling ball with a million tiny holes drilled throughout it which is placed into a tub of water. When the bowling ball is placed into the tub of water, even though the water exists throughout the bowling ball, the matter which is the bowling ball still displaces the water. When you take the bowling ball out of the water is there a void in the water in the tub? No, of course not. The water was exerting a pressure towards, and if the water consisting of individual particles, throughout the bowling ball. A moving C-60 molecule has an associated aether displacement wave. In a double slit experiment with a C-60 molecule the C-60 molecule always enters and exits a single slit and it is the associated aether displacement wave which enters and exits the available slits. The associated aether displacement wave creates interference upon exiting the slits which alters the direction the C-60 molecule travels. Since aether surrounds each and every nuclei which is the matter. The faster an object is moving with respect to the aether the greater the aether pressure exerted on and throughout the body. This is the why atomic clocks tick based upon the aether pressure in which they exist. > Thanks, > > Esa(R) > > -- > A topologist is a person who doesn't know the difference between a > coffee cup and a doughnut.
From: mpc755 on 17 Mar 2010 19:35 On Mar 17, 6:42 pm, Esa Riihonen <e...(a)riihonen.net.not.invalid> wrote: > mpc755 kirjoitti: > > > > > On Mar 17, 7:47 am, Esa Riihonen <e...(a)riihonen.net.not.invalid> wrote: > >> mpc755 kirjoitti: > > >> > On Mar 16, 5:46 pm, Esa Riihonen <e...(a)riihonen.net.not.invalid> > >> wrote: > >> >> mpc755 kirjoitti: > > >> [snip] > > >> >>> I would like the following to fit on one line. Have at it: > > >> >>> The pressure associated with the aether displaced by massive > >> >>> objects > >> is > >> >>> gravity. > > >> >> Here: > > >> >> Gravity can somehow be explained by the science of the 19th century.. > > >> > I think I'll stick with: > > >> > Gravity: Pressure associated with aether displaced by massive > >> > objects. > > >> By all means please do. Now it would be interesting to see your actual > >> theory in action - that would mean a rigorous logical (read > >> mathematical) framework to produce some numbers to compare with actual > >> measurements. If I may suggest, calculating planetary orbits (including > >> Mercury) would be a good point to start. > > > Aether Displacement is a physical interpretation of 'curved spacetime'. > > The math has already been developed. > > > Pressure associated with aether displaced by a massive object is > > gravity. > > Perhaps the connection between the mathematical machinery of the GR and > this aether pressure view is obvious - but frankly I just can't see it. > Could you please elaborate. > Matter and aether are different states of the same material. Some like to say aether is matter and others like to say matter is aether. In order to try and avoid this pointless discussion I say both matter and aether are different states of mather. Since matter and aether are different states of mather both matter and aether have mass. As the Earth orbits the Sun the aether which exists in front of the Earth's path does not disappear when the matter which is the Earth occupies the three dimensional space previously occupied by the aether. The aether does not vanish. The aether is displaced by the matter which is the Earth. The aether is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'. This 'displacing back' is the pressure the aether exerts towards the matter doing the displacing. How do we know there is a pressure associated with the aether displaced by a massive object? Because light from distant stars reaches us from where Jupiter was in its orbit (i.e. Jupiter does not leave a void in its wake). The pressure associated with the aether displaced by a massive object is gravity. The analogy is a bowling ball with a million tiny holes drilled throughout it which is placed into a tub of water. When the bowling ball is placed into the tub of water, even though the water exists throughout the bowling ball, the matter which is the bowling ball still displaces the water. When you take the bowling ball out of the water is there a void in the water in the tub? No, of course not. The water was exerting a pressure towards, and if the bowling ball consists of millions of individual particles, throughout the bowling ball. A moving C-60 molecule has an associated aether displacement wave. In a double slit experiment with a C-60 molecule the C-60 molecule always enters and exits a single slit and it is the associated aether displacement wave which enters and exits the available slits. The associated aether displacement wave creates interference upon exiting the slits which alters the direction the C-60 molecule travels. Since aether surrounds each and every nuclei which is the matter. The faster an object is moving with respect to the aether the greater the aether pressure exerted on and throughout the body. This is the why atomic clocks tick based upon the aether pressure in which they exist. > Thanks, > > Esa(R) > > -- > A topologist is a person who doesn't know the difference between a > coffee cup and a doughnut.
From: Tom Roberts on 17 Mar 2010 21:19
mpc755 wrote: > On Mar 16, 11:43 pm, Tom Roberts <tjroberts...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> mpc755 wrote: >>> 'curved spacetime' is meaningless nonsense in terms of a physical >>> description of nature. What is physically being 'curved'? [...] >> Nothing "physical" is involved, this is GEOMETRY. >> > > Not only do we have the absurd nonsense [...] The "absurd nonsense" is your thinking that you can discuss modern physics without any understanding of it whatsoever. Tom Roberts |