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From: mpc755 on 5 Apr 2010 14:46 On Apr 5, 2:39 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > No, he did not state that. You should reread what he actually said, > rather than applying your own reality-distortion field. He said the > current theories don't make any sense. He said they were self- > contradictory. I asked him what he thought did not make sense, and I > asked him where he thought the contradictions were. He said nothing > about "how gravity physically occurs". You did. > > You might think the world revolves around you. That is only because > you've made yourself dizzy. 'Therefore, in order to understand gravity, you must not try to understand current theory as it has gotten us absolutely nowhere in the past 100 years. That would be like trying to understand a flat Earth theory. If you don't believe me, then just ask any real scientist and the answer will still come back "we really don't understand gravity" if they are honest.' Your model can not explain how matter causes space to be unflat but not move. Your model can not explain how matter causes space to be unflat. Your model can not explain how an unflat space causes gravity to physically exist. You are making the point. Gravity is pressure exerted by aether displaced by matter. You must have missed this post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_de_Broglie "This research culminated in the de Broglie hypothesis stating that any moving particle or object had an associated wave." 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory Louis de BROGLIE' http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf "I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case of an external field acting on the particle." "This result may be interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is defined as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the internal motion rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave at the point where the particle is located." de Broglie's definition of wave-particle duality is of a physical wave and a physical particle. The particle occupies a very small region of the wave. In AD, the external field is the aether. In a double slit experiment the particle occupies a very small region of the wave and enters and exits a single slit. The wave enters and exits the available slits. For example, in the image on the right here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experiment There are waves propagating both the red and blue paths towards D0. One of the downgraded photon 'particles' is traveling either the red or blue path towards D0. The lens causes the waves to create interference which alters the direction the particle travels. One set of downgraded photons is creating one of the interference patterns at D0 and the other set of downgraded photons is creating the other. It's all very easy to understand once you realize 'delayed-choice', 'quantum eraser', and the future determining the past is simply misinterpreting what is occurring in nature. In the image on the right here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experiment When the downgraded photon pair are created, in order for there to be conservation of momentum, the original photons momentum is maintained. This means the downgraded photon pair have opposite angular momentums. We will describe one of the photons as being the 'up' photon and the other photon as being the 'down' photon. One of the downgraded photons travels either the red or blue path towards D0 and the other photon travels either the red or blue path towards the prism. There are physical waves in the aether propagating both the red and blue paths. The aether waves propagating towards D0 interact with the lens and create interference prior to reaching D0. The aether waves create interference which alters the direction the photon travels prior to reaching D0. There are actually two interference patterns being created at D0. One associated with the 'up' photons when they arrive at D0 and the other interference pattern associated with the 'down' photons when they arrive at D0. Both 'up' and 'down' photons are reflected by BSa and arrive at D3. Since there is a single path towards D3 there is nothing for the wave in the aether to interfere with and there is no interference pattern and since it is not determined if it is an 'up' or 'down' photon being detected at D3 there is no way to distinguish between the photons arriving at D0 which interference pattern each photon belongs to. The same for photons reflected by BSb and arrive at D4. Photons which pass through BSa and are reflected by BSc and arrive at D1 are either 'up' or 'down' photons but not both. If 'up' photons arrive at D1 then 'down' photons arrive at D2. The opposite occurs for photons which pass through BSb. Photons which pass through BSa and pass through BSb and arrive at D1 are all either 'up' or 'down' photons. If all 'up' photons arrive at D1 then all 'down' photons arrive at D2. Since the physical waves in the aether traveling both the red and blue paths are combined prior to D1 and D2 the aether waves create interference which alters the direction the photon travels. Since all 'up' photons arrive at one of the detectors and all 'down' photons arrive at the other an interference pattern is created which reflects back to the interference both sets of photons are creating at D0. Figures 3 and 4 here: http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/quant-ph/pdf/9903/9903047v1.pdf Show the interference pattern of the 'up' and 'down' photons. If you were to combine the two images and add the peaks together and add the valleys together you would have the interference pattern of the original photon. This is evidence the downgraded photon pair maintain the original photons momentum and have opposite angular momentums. Nothing is erased. There is no delayed choice. Physical waves in the aether are traveling both the red and blue paths and when the paths are combined the waves create interference which alters the direction the photon 'particle' travels. Experiments which are evidence of Aether Displacement: Experiment #1: Instead of having a single beam splitter BSc have two beam splitters BSca and BScb. Have the photons reflected by mirror Ma interact with BSca and have the photons reflected by mirror Mb interact with BScb. Do not combine the red and blue paths. Have additional detectors D1a, D2a, D1b, and D2b. Have the photons reflected by and propagate through BSca be detected at D1a and D2a. Have the photons reflected by and propagate through BScb be detected at D1b and D2b. If you compare the photons detected at D1a and D1b with the photons detected at D0, the corresponding photons detected at D0 will form an interference pattern. If you compare the photons detected at D2a and D2b with the photons detected at D0, the corresponding photons detected at D0 will form an interference pattern. What is occurring is all 'up' photons are being detected at one pair of detectors, for example D1a and D1b, and all 'down' photons are being detected at the other pair of detectors, for example D2a and D2b. Interference patterns do not even need to be created in order to 'go back' and determine the interference patterns created at D0. Experiment #2: Alter the experiment. When the downgraded photon pair are created, have each photon interact with its own double slit apparatus. Have detectors at one of the exits for each double slit apparatus. When a photon is detected at one of the exits, in AD, the photon's aether wave still exists and is propagating along the path exiting the other slit. When a photon is not detected at one of the exits, the photon 'particle' along with its associated aether wave exits the other slit. Combine the path the aether wave the detected photon is propagating along with the path of the other photon and its associated aether wave. An interference pattern will still be created. This shows the aether wave of a detected photon still exists and is able to create interference with the aether wave of another photon, altering the direction the photon 'particle' travels. Your inability to physically explain the following is evidence you feign hypothesis: - The future determining the past - Virtual particles which exist out of nothing - Conservation of momentum does not apply to a downgraded photon pair - A C-60 molecule can enter, travel through, and exit multiple slits simultaneously without requiring energy, releasing energy, or having a change in momentum. - Matter causes physical space to be 'unflat' but not move The following are the most correct physical explanations to date: - A C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit while the associate aether displacement wave enters and exits available slits - The aether displaced by the matter which are the plates extends past the other plate. The pressure exerted by the aether displaced by the plates forces the plates together - Conservation of momentum does apply to a downgraded photon pair. When a photon is detected its wave collapses which determines its spin. In order for the original photons momentum to be conserved, the downgraded photon pair have opposite angular momentums. - A C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit while the associate aether displacement wave enters and exits available slits - Physical space is displaced by matter. Aether is displaced by matter.
From: spudnik on 5 Apr 2010 20:26 as a student of Bucky Fuller -- an army of one, I say -- you've bit- off more than you should want to chew, with the n-hole spin on fullerenes; and that is my clue, because a fullerene should have a very large manifestation of polarization, not unlike in a game of futbol. I mean, just becaus the ball went through only one slit, why wouldn't it be affected by the total symmetry of the instrumentation?... all of it, down to teh electronics etc. my main thing was, though, that you should at least *try* to consider the theory of light using only waves, which can still be pieced-together from almost any "undergrad" textbook, post-Copenhagen, especially older ones. or, just stick with Einstein's refurbishment of Newton's crappy "theory," nothing of which is needed for relativity & so on. anyway, one simply does not need to analyze a phenomenon by *both* its wavey & bullety aspects -- at the same time; once you have proven a theorem in projective geometry e.g., you do not have to give the "2nd column proof," unless you're just learning it, for the first time! > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_de_Broglie > "This research culminated in the de Broglie hypothesis stating that > any moving particle or object had an associated wave." thus: a-ha, I was correct: say "half," with respect to the beamsplitters, please (as I comprehend, they generally split the "photon" into "two photons" of half the energy, I think of a different frequency, not amplitude -- although the "photon" is really more akin to a phonon, such as the audible "click" of the geiger-counter. the *proviso* with these experiments is that the waves are highly modified in the LASER apparatus, so that some folks more easily think of them as "rocks o'light." it could have been worse; lots of more-or-less literate folks use "of" in the place of "have" -- to be or not to be owned, that is this particualr question! > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experi... > Alter the experiment. When the downgraded photon pair are created, > have each photon interact with its own double slit apparatus. Have > detectors at one of the exits for each double slit apparatus. When a > photon is detected at one of the exits, in AD, the photon's aether > wave still exists and is propagating along the path exiting the other > slit. When a photon is not detected at one of the exits, the photon > 'particle' along with its associated aether wave exits the other slit. > Combine the path the aether wave the detected photon is propagating > along with the path of the other photon and its associated aether > wave. An interference pattern will still be created. This shows the > aether wave of a detected photon still exists and is able to create > interference with the aether wave of another photon, altering the > direction the photon 'particle' travels. thus: if you let go of the empty notion of "photon," there isn't any difficulty, at all, with a geometrical picture. Death to the lightcone -- long-live the lightcone-heads (because, Minkowski was only one of them, by haphazard default/death). yes, I know, that *photonics* is a whole field of engineering; thank you, herr doktor-professor E., for unburying Newton's bogus corpuscle and attendant "theory," that Young had successfully popped! thus: on the wayside, if you are really going to set so much store in a two-hole procedure for fullerenes, maybe you shouold read the original article, and try to question its purpose. as it is, I'd guess that English is not your mother-tongue, which can sometimes prove difficult in *using* it; so, that's why I always suggest Shakespeare, becuase *no* one can *begin* to comprehend English, til he *tries* to read the bard. (he also had a hand in translating the KJV of the Bible .-) thus: NB, quaternions are not "quadrays" (for an amateur attempt at homogenous co-ordination), but you can "do" special rel. with them (according to Lanczos .-) thus: The "cap & trade" omnibus bill -- what Waxman-Markey should be known as, being so fundamental to the Stupid, economy -- is at least as old as Waxman's '91 bill to ameliorate acid rain. One must really stop and consider, just who really opposes this "last hurrah" for Wall Street (like- wise, the healthcare bill, also under Waxman's House committee, and which, after all, is geared toward funding a smaller aspect of the S-- the economy, already tremendously leveraged by the "voluntary" cap & trade, which the bill would essentially mandate, a la the much-larger, market- making EU scheme). Not so long ago, there was a guest-editorial in the WSJ, which mentioned that an actual carbon tax would achieve the same thing, more or less, as the total "free" market apporach of cap & trade; oh, but, there're certain, so- called Republicans, who refer to the bill as "cap & tax!" Well, before any "reform" of the financial system, why would one put all of one's eggs into such a casino -- especially considering that the oil companies have not bothered to release the carbon-dating "fingerprints" that they use, to determine whether two wells are connected, underground; so, guys & gals, how old is the stuff, on average, anyway? Surely, the green-niks who lobby for "renewable" energy, do not think that oil comes only from dinosaurs, and their associated flora -- all, from before the asteroid supposedly offed them (I refer them to the recent issue of Nature -- several articles that may be related!) Finally, note that, in a sense, the whole world is going a) nuclear, and b) into space, while we are essentially frozen into '50s and '60s techniques in these crucial frontiers. (While some folks dither about Iran's nuke-weapons policy, they are rapidly achieving a full-scale nuke-e and process-heat capbility for industry & infrastructure.) --yr humble servant, the Voting Rights Act o'65 (deadletter since March 27, 2000, when Supreme Court refuzed appeal in LaRouche v. Fowler ('96))
From: mpc755 on 5 Apr 2010 21:15 On Apr 5, 8:26 pm, spudnik <Space...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > thus: > a-ha, I was correct: > say "half," with respect to the beamsplitters, please (as > I comprehend, they generally split the "photon" > into "two photons" of half the energy, I think > of a different frequency, not amplitude -- although > the "photon" is really more akin to a phonon, > such as the audible "click" of the geiger-counter. the *proviso* > with these experiments is that the waves are highly modified > in the LASER apparatus, so that some folks more easily think > of them as "rocks o'light." > Incorrect. Beam splitters do not cause a photon to 'split' into 'two photons' of half the energy. What you are mistaking for two photons is the associated aether wave propagating the available paths while the photon 'particle' travels a single path. 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein' "What is fundamentally new in the ether of the general theory of relativity as opposed to the ether of Lorentz consists in this, that the state of the former is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, which are amenable to law in the form of differential equations; whereas the state of the Lorentzian ether in the absence of electromagnetic fields is conditioned by nothing outside itself, and is everywhere the same. The ether of the general theory of relativity is transmuted conceptually into the ether of Lorentz if we substitute constants for the functions of space which describe the former, disregarding the causes which condition its state." http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html Einstein disregarded the causes which condition its state. The displacement of aether by matter causes its condition.
From: spudnik on 5 Apr 2010 21:46 please, stop abusing fulerenes.... excusez-moi; *what* is incorrect -- you mean, "incorrect in the interpretation of my [language- challenged] theory?..." your theory, that adds not one thing to any observation, except perhaps spme sort of "metaphysical" say-so? get with it, dood; read some elementary, old textbooks on wave-theory/electromagnetism, in your mother tongue, if you can't find the original discoverers write-ups.... ah: the brachistochrone of Leibniz and Bernoulli (in French) !! it's bad enough, that people habitually refer to photons, when all they manifestly are is waves!... now, if you want to retool teh wave-theory into a theory of aether, it's going to take a Hell of a lot more than mere, illinguistic assertions. and, please, stop quoting that poor, old man, Einstien; he was probably very far from perfect, at any time, in almost any writing (possible exception: the paper on the photo-electrical effect, which is after all what they gave him a Nobel, for; or, the paper on Brownian motion; or, the patent with Dr. Strangelove for an acoustic refrigerator .-) [I mean, what if it was really a political thing, strictly to unbury Newton's corpuscles?] > Incorrect. Beam splitters do not cause a photon to 'split' into 'two > photons' of half the energy. What you are mistaking for two photons is > the associated aether wave propagating the available paths while the > photon 'particle' travels a single path. > is everywhere the same. The ether of the general theory of relativity > is transmuted conceptually into the ether of Lorentz if we substitute > constants for the functions of space which describe the former, > disregarding the causes which condition its state."http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html --Light: A History! http://21stcenturysciencetech.com --NASCAR rules on rotary engines! http://white-smoke.wetpaint.com thus: that's why I always suggest Shakespeare, becuase *no* one can *begin* to comprehend English, til he *tries* to read the bard. (he also had a hand in translating the KJV of the Bible .-) dear editor; The "cap & trade" omnibus bill -- what Waxman-Markey should be known as, being so fundamental to the Stupid, economy -- is at least as old as Waxman's '91 bill to ameliorate acid rain. One must really stop and consider, just who really opposes this "last hurrah" for Wall Street (like-wise, the healthcare bill, also under Waxman's House committee, and which, after all, is geared toward funding a smaller aspect of the S-- the economy, already tremendously leveraged by the "voluntary" cap & trade, which the bill would essentially mandate, a la the much-larger, market-making EU scheme). Not so long ago, there was a guest-editorial in the WSJ, which mentioned that a carbon tax would achieve the same thing, more or less, as the total "free" trade approach of cap & trade; oh, but, there're certain, so-called Republicans, who refer to the bill as "cap & tax!" Well, before any "reform" of the financial system, why would one put all of one's eggs into such a casino -- especially considering that the oil companies have not bothered to release the carbon-dating "fingerprints" that they use, to determine whether two wells are connected, underground; so, guys & gals, how old is the stuff, on average, anyway? Surely, the green-niks who lobby for "renewable" energy, do not think that oil comes only from dinosaurs, and their associated flora -- all, from before the asteroid supposedly offed them (I refer them to the recent issue of Nature -- several articles that may be related!) Finally, note that, in a sense, the whole world is going a) nuclear, and b) into space, while we are essentially frozen into '50s and '60s techniques in these crucial frontiers. (While some folks dither about Iran's nuke-weapons policy, they are rapidly achieving a full-scale nuke-e and process-heat capbility for industry & infrastructure.) --yr humble servant, the Voting Rights Act o'65 (deadletter since March 27, 2000, when Supreme Court refuzed appeal in LaRouche v. Fowler ('96))
From: mpc755 on 5 Apr 2010 21:51
On Apr 5, 9:46 pm, spudnik <Space...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > please, stop abusing fulerenes.... > excusez-moi; *what* is incorrect -- you mean, > "incorrect in the interpretation of my [language- > challenged] theory?..." your theory, > that adds not one thing to any observation, except > perhaps spme sort of "metaphysical" say-so? > A C-60 molecule is in the slit(s). While the C-60 molecule is in the slit(s) detectors are placed at the exits to the slits. When there are detectors at the exits to the slits the C-60 molecule is always detected exiting a single slit. If the detectors are placed and removed from the exits to the slits while the C-60 molecule is in the slit(s) the C-60 molecule creates an interference pattern. Explain how this is possible without aether. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_de_Broglie "This research culminated in the de Broglie hypothesis stating that any moving particle or object had an associated wave." 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory Louis de BROGLIE' http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf "I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case of an external field acting on the particle." "This result may be interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is defined as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the internal motion rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave at the point where the particle is located." de Broglie's definition of wave-particle duality is of a physical wave and a physical particle. The particle occupies a very small region of the wave. In AD, the external field is the aether. In a double slit experiment the particle occupies a very small region of the wave and enters and exits a single slit. The wave enters and exits the available slits. In AD, the C-60 molecule has an associated aether displacement wave. The C-60 molecule always enters and exits a single slit while the associated aether displacement wave enters and exits the available slits. The displacement wave creates interference upon exiting the slits which alters the direction the C-60 molecule travels. Detecting the C-60 molecule causes decoherence of the associated aether displacement wave (i.e. turns it into chop) and there is no interference. |