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On Thu, 3 Jun 2010, mpc755 wrote:

> On Jun 3, 9:49 pm, "Me, ...again!" <arthu...(a)mv.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 3 Jun 2010, mpc755 wrote:
>>
>>> A moving particle has an associated aether wave. In a double slit
>>> experiment the particle enters and exits a single slit and it is the
>>> wave which enters and exits multiple slits. When the wave exits the
>>> slits it creates interference which alters the direction the particle
>>> travels. Detecting the particle causes decoherence of the associated
>>> aether wave (i.e. turns the wave into chop) and there is no
>>> interference.
>>
>> Again, I think so. Maybe someday I will get the reprints, the books, etc.,
>> and spread them all out on a big table and really see if I can make better
>> sense of it all. And, its a serious intellectual problem and I just don't
>> "buy" this jazz that a bunch of guys think Einstein/relativity is "proved"
>> while there is another bunch essentially saying "no its not."
>>
>
> Einstein left all of the information necessary in order for physics to
> take the next step.

And, I collected the list of books, written by people who know more than I
do about it, on problems with Einstein.

////////////// Thanks, otherwise//////////////

> 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'
> http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html
>
> "The state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections
> with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, ...
> disregarding the causes which condition its state."
>
> Einstein did not determine the cause which conditions the aether's
> state.
>
> The state of the aether as determined by its connections with the
> matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the
> aether's state of displacement.
>
> This fits with Einstein's concept of curved 'space-time'. What causes
> 'space-time' to curve? 'Space-time' is displaced by matter. Since we
> are discussing the material of 'space-time' as being displaced by
> matter it is more correct to state aether is displaced by matter.
>
> With the understanding aether is displaced by matter much of what is
> misunderstood in physics today is easy to understand.
>
> A moving particle has an associated aether wave.
>
> With aether in general, and Aether Displacement in particular, the
> physics of nature are easily understood.
>
> E=mc^2, conservation of mass, conservation of energy, gravity, double
> slit experiments, Higg's background field, what physically causes
> atomic clocks to 'tick' at different rates, Einstein's train gedanken,
> and on and on and on the list of things which are completely
> misunderstood in physics today are easily understood.
>
> It must be ignorance which allows those to choose to not understand
> the physics of nature.
>
> Aether and matter are different states of the same material.
> The material is mæther.
> Mæther has mass.
> Aether and matter have mass.
> Aether is uncompressed mæther and matter is compressed mæther.
> Aether is displaced by matter.
> The aether is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'.
> The 'displacing back' is the pressure exerted by the aether.
> Gravity is pressure exerted by displaced aether towards matter.
>
> 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'
> http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html
>
> "the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections
> with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, ...
> disregarding the causes which condition its state."
>
> The state of the aether as determined by its connections with the
> matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the
> aether's state of displacement.
>
> A moving C-60 molecule has an associated aether displacement wave. The
> C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit. The aether wave enters
> and exits multiple slits. The aether wave creates interference upon
> exiting the slits which alters the direction the C-60 molecule
> travels. Detecting the C-60 molecule causes decoherence of the aether
> wave and there is not interference.
>
> 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?
> By A. EINSTEIN'
> http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf
>
> "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass
> diminishes by L/c2."
>
> The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer
> exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as
> aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands in three
> dimensions. The effect this transition has on the surrounding aether
> and matter is energy.
>
> Mass does not convert to energy. Matter converts to aether. As the
> mæther transitions from matter to aether it increases in volume. The
> physical effect the increase in volume has on the neighboring matter
> and aether is energy.
>
> The physical effect of mæther decompressing is energy.
>
> Mass is conserved.
>
> The rate at which an atomic clock 'ticks' is based upon the aether
> pressure in which it exists. In terms of motion, the speed of a GPS
> satellite with respect to the aether causes it to displace more aether
> and for that aether to exert more pressure on the clock in the GPS
> satellite than the aether pressure associated with a clock at rest
> with respect to the Earth. This causes the GPS satellite clock to
> "result in a delay of about 7 ìs/day". The aether pressure associated
> with the aether displaced by the Earth exerts less pressure on the GPS
> satellite than a similar clock at rest on the Earth" causing the GPS
> clocks to appear faster by about 45 ìs/day". The aether pressure
> associated with the speed at which the GPS satellite moves with
> respect to the aether and the aether pressure associated with the
> aether displaced by the Earth causes "clocks on the GPS satellites
> [to] tick approximately 38 ìs/day faster than clocks on the ground."
> (quoted text from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_relativity_on_GPS).
>
> 'The Need to Understand Mass'
> By Roger Cashmore
> Department of Physics
> University of Oxford, UK.
> http://www.phy.uct.ac.za/courses/phy400w/particle/higgs2.htm
>
> "There is, however, one very clever and very elegant solution to this
> problem, a solution first proposed by Peter Higgs. He proposed that
> the whole of space is permeated by a field, similar in some ways to
> the electromagnetic field. As particles move through space they travel
> through this field, and if they interact with it they acquire what
> appears to be mass. This is similar to the action of viscous forces
> felt by particles moving through any thick liquid. the larger the
> interaction of the particles with the field, the more mass they appear
> to have. Thus the existence of this field is essential in Higg's
> hypothesis for the production of the mass of particles."
>
> The "action of viscous forces felt by particles moving through any
> thick liquid" is the particles interaction with the aether. The force
> is the pressure exerted by the displaced aether towards the particle.
> The "thick liquid" is the aether behaving as a frictionless superfluid
> 'one something'.
>
> "the larger the interaction of the particles with the field, the more
> mass they appear to have." The faster the particle moves with respect
> to the aether, the greater the pressure exerted by the displaced
> aether towards the particle.
>
> 'Politics, Solid State and the Higgs'
> By David Miller
> Department of Physics and Astronomy
> University College, London, UK.
> http://www.phy.uct.ac.za/courses/phy400w/particle/higgs3.htm
>
> "1. The Higgs Mechanism
> In three dimensions, and with the complications of relativity, this is
> the Higgs mechanism. In order to give particles mass, a background
> field is invented which becomes locally distorted whenever a particle
> moves through it. The distortion - the clustering of the field around
> the particle - generates the particle's mass. The idea comes directly
> from the physics of solids. Instead of a field spread throughout all
> space a solid contains a lattice of positively charged crystal atoms.
> When an electron moves through the lattice the atoms are attracted to
> it, causing the electron's effective mass to be as much as 40 times
> bigger than the mass of a free electron."
>
> The distortion of the background field is the displacement of the
> aether by the moving particle. The 'clustering' of the field around
> the particle is the 'displacing back'. The 'clustering' of the field
> is the pressure exerted by the displaced aether towards the particle.
>
> "The idea comes directly from the physics of solids." The aether
> behaves as a frictionless superfluid 'one something'.
>
From: mpc755 on
On Jun 4, 2:45 pm, "Me, ...again!" <arthu...(a)mv.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Jun 2010, Mike Cavedon wrote:
>
> > Einstein left all of the information necessary in order for physics to
> > take the next step.
>
> > 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'
> >http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html
>
> > "The state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections
> > with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, ...
> > disregarding the causes which condition its state."
>
> > Einstein did not determine the cause which conditions the aether's
> > state.
>
> So, am I to take it that this might be a defect?
>

Not a defect at all. In fact, it shows the strength of Einstein.
Einstein knew the state of the aether was determined by its
connections with matter. Einstein also know the aether was not an
absolutely stationary space. What Einstein was not able to determined
was the cause of the condition.

The cause of the condition is the displacement of aether by matter.

> > The state of the aether as determined by its connections with the
> > matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the
> > aether's state of displacement.
>
> > This fits with Einstein's concept of curved 'space-time'. What causes
> > 'space-time' to curve? 'Space-time' is displaced by matter. Since we
> > are discussing the material of 'space-time' as being displaced by
> > matter it is more correct to state aether is displaced by matter.
>
> > With the understanding aether is displaced by matter much of what is
> > misunderstood in physics today is easy to understand.
>
> But, is this right?
>

Science should not discuss theories in terms of right and wrong.
Theories are correct and incorrect.

Aether Displacement is the most correct unified theory, to date.

What physically occurs in nature to cause curved 'space-time', E=mc^2,
conservation of mass, conservation of energy, gravity, double slit
experiments, Higg's background field, what physically occurs in nature
to cause atomic clocks to 'tick' at different rates, Einstein's train
gedanken, and on and on and on the list of things which are
misunderstood in physics today are easily understood in the theory of
Aether Displacement.

'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html

"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections
with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, ...
disregarding the causes which condition its state."

The state of the aether as determined by its connections with the
matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the
aether's state of displacement.

Aether and matter are different states of the same material.
The material is mæther.
Mæther has mass.
Aether and matter have mass.
Aether is uncompressed mæther and matter is compressed mæther.
Aether is displaced by matter.
The aether is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'.
The 'displacing back' is the pressure exerted by the aether.
Gravity is pressure exerted by displaced aether towards matter.

A moving C-60 molecule has an associated aether displacement wave. The
C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit. The aether wave enters
and exits multiple slits. The aether wave creates interference upon
exiting the slits which alters the direction the C-60 molecule
travels. Detecting the C-60 molecule causes decoherence of the aether
wave and there is no interference.

'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?
By A. EINSTEIN'
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf

"If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass
diminishes by L/c2."

The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer
exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as
aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands in three
dimensions. The effect this transition has on the surrounding aether
and matter is energy.

Mass does not convert to energy. Matter converts to aether. As the
mæther transitions from matter to aether it increases in volume. The
physical effect the increase in volume has on the neighboring matter
and aether is energy.

The physical effect of mæther decompressing is energy.

Mass is conserved.

The rate at which an atomic clock 'ticks' is based upon the aether
pressure in which it exists. In terms of motion, the speed of a GPS
satellite with respect to the aether causes it to displace more aether
and for that aether to exert more pressure on the clock in the GPS
satellite than the aether pressure associated with a clock at rest
with respect to the Earth. This causes the GPS satellite clock to
"result in a delay of about 7 ìs/day". The aether pressure associated
with the aether displaced by the Earth exerts less pressure on the GPS
satellite than a similar clock at rest on the Earth" causing the GPS
clocks to appear faster by about 45 ìs/day". The aether pressure
associated with the speed at which the GPS satellite moves with
respect to the aether and the aether pressure associated with the
aether displaced by the Earth causes "clocks on the GPS satellites
[to] tick approximately 38 ìs/day faster than clocks on the ground."
(quoted text from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_relativity_on_GPS).

'The Need to Understand Mass'
By Roger Cashmore
Department of Physics
University of Oxford, UK.
http://www.phy.uct.ac.za/courses/phy400w/particle/higgs2.htm

"There is, however, one very clever and very elegant solution to this
problem, a solution first proposed by Peter Higgs. He proposed that
the whole of space is permeated by a field, similar in some ways to
the electromagnetic field. As particles move through space they travel
through this field, and if they interact with it they acquire what
appears to be mass. This is similar to the action of viscous forces
felt by particles moving through any thick liquid. the larger the
interaction of the particles with the field, the more mass they appear
to have. Thus the existence of this field is essential in Higg's
hypothesis for the production of the mass of particles."

The "action of viscous forces felt by particles moving through any
thick liquid" is the particles interaction with the aether. The force
is the pressure exerted by the displaced aether towards the particle.
The "thick liquid" is the aether behaving as a frictionless superfluid
'one something'.

"the larger the interaction of the particles with the field, the more
mass they appear to have." The faster the particle moves with respect
to the aether, the greater the pressure exerted by the displaced
aether towards the particle.

'Politics, Solid State and the Higgs'
By David Miller
Department of Physics and Astronomy
University College, London, UK.
http://www.phy.uct.ac.za/courses/phy400w/particle/higgs3.htm

"1. The Higgs Mechanism
In three dimensions, and with the complications of relativity, this is
the Higgs mechanism. In order to give particles mass, a background
field is invented which becomes locally distorted whenever a particle
moves through it. The distortion - the clustering of the field around
the particle - generates the particle's mass. The idea comes directly
from the physics of solids. Instead of a field spread throughout all
space a solid contains a lattice of positively charged crystal atoms.
When an electron moves through the lattice the atoms are attracted to
it, causing the electron's effective mass to be as much as 40 times
bigger than the mass of a free electron."

The distortion of the background field is the displacement of the
aether by the moving particle. The 'clustering' of the field around
the particle is the 'displacing back'. The 'clustering' of the field
is the pressure exerted by the displaced aether towards the particle.

"The idea comes directly from the physics of solids." The aether
behaves as a frictionless superfluid 'one something'.
From: mpc755 on
Aether Displacement is the most correct unified theory, to date.

What physically occurs in nature to cause curved 'space-time', E=mc^2,
conservation of mass, conservation of energy, gravity, double slit
experiments, Higg's background field, what physically occurs in nature
to cause atomic clocks to 'tick' at different rates, Einstein's train
gedanken, and on and on and on the list of things which are
misunderstood in physics today are easily understood in the theory of
Aether Displacement.

'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html

"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections
with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, ...
disregarding the causes which condition its state."

The state of the aether as determined by its connections with the
matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the
aether's state of displacement.

Aether and matter are different states of the same material.
The material is mæther.
Mæther has mass.
Aether and matter have mass.
Aether is uncompressed mæther and matter is compressed mæther.
Aether is displaced by matter.
The aether is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'.
The 'displacing back' is the pressure exerted by the aether.
Gravity is pressure exerted by displaced aether towards matter.

A moving C-60 molecule has an associated aether displacement wave. The
C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit. The aether wave enters
and exits multiple slits. The aether wave creates interference upon
exiting the slits which alters the direction the C-60 molecule
travels. Detecting the C-60 molecule causes decoherence of the aether
wave and there is no interference.

'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?
By A. EINSTEIN'
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf

"If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass
diminishes by L/c2."

The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer
exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as
aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands in three
dimensions. The effect this transition has on the surrounding aether
and matter is energy.

Mass does not convert to energy. Matter converts to aether. As the
mæther transitions from matter to aether it increases in volume. The
physical effect the increase in volume has on the neighboring matter
and aether is energy.

The physical effect of mæther decompressing is energy.

Mass is conserved.

The rate at which an atomic clock 'ticks' is based upon the aether
pressure in which it exists. In terms of motion, the speed of a GPS
satellite with respect to the aether causes it to displace more aether
and for that aether to exert more pressure on the clock in the GPS
satellite than the aether pressure associated with a clock at rest
with respect to the Earth. This causes the GPS satellite clock to
"result in a delay of about 7 ìs/day". The aether pressure associated
with the aether displaced by the Earth exerts less pressure on the GPS
satellite than a similar clock at rest on the Earth" causing the GPS
clocks to appear faster by about 45 ìs/day". The aether pressure
associated with the speed at which the GPS satellite moves with
respect to the aether and the aether pressure associated with the
aether displaced by the Earth causes "clocks on the GPS satellites
[to] tick approximately 38 ìs/day faster than clocks on the ground."
(quoted text from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_relativity_on_GPS).

'The Need to Understand Mass'
By Roger Cashmore
Department of Physics
University of Oxford, UK.
http://www.phy.uct.ac.za/courses/phy400w/particle/higgs2.htm

"There is, however, one very clever and very elegant solution to this
problem, a solution first proposed by Peter Higgs. He proposed that
the whole of space is permeated by a field, similar in some ways to
the electromagnetic field. As particles move through space they travel
through this field, and if they interact with it they acquire what
appears to be mass. This is similar to the action of viscous forces
felt by particles moving through any thick liquid. the larger the
interaction of the particles with the field, the more mass they appear
to have. Thus the existence of this field is essential in Higg's
hypothesis for the production of the mass of particles."

The "action of viscous forces felt by particles moving through any
thick liquid" is the particles interaction with the aether. The force
is the pressure exerted by the displaced aether towards the particle.
The "thick liquid" is the aether behaving as a frictionless superfluid
'one something'.

"the larger the interaction of the particles with the field, the more
mass they appear to have." The faster the particle moves with respect
to the aether, the greater the pressure exerted by the displaced
aether towards the particle.

'Politics, Solid State and the Higgs'
By David Miller
Department of Physics and Astronomy
University College, London, UK.
http://www.phy.uct.ac.za/courses/phy400w/particle/higgs3.htm

"1. The Higgs Mechanism
In three dimensions, and with the complications of relativity, this is
the Higgs mechanism. In order to give particles mass, a background
field is invented which becomes locally distorted whenever a particle
moves through it. The distortion - the clustering of the field around
the particle - generates the particle's mass. The idea comes directly
from the physics of solids. Instead of a field spread throughout all
space a solid contains a lattice of positively charged crystal atoms.
When an electron moves through the lattice the atoms are attracted to
it, causing the electron's effective mass to be as much as 40 times
bigger than the mass of a free electron."

The distortion of the background field is the displacement of the
aether by the moving particle. The 'clustering' of the field around
the particle is the 'displacing back'. The 'clustering' of the field
is the pressure exerted by the displaced aether towards the particle.

"The idea comes directly from the physics of solids." The aether
behaves as a frictionless superfluid 'one something'.
From: mpc755 on
What physically occurs in nature to cause curved 'space-time', E=mc^2,
conservation of mass, conservation of energy, gravity, double slit
experiments, Higg's background field, what physically occurs in nature
to cause atomic clocks to 'tick' at different rates, Einstein's train
gedanken, and on and on and on the list of things which are
misunderstood in physics today are easily understood in the theory of
Aether Displacement.

'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html

"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections
with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, ...
disregarding the causes which condition its state."

The state of the aether as determined by its connections with the
matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the
aether's state of displacement.

Aether and matter are different states of the same material.
The material is mæther.
Mæther has mass.
Aether and matter have mass.
Aether is uncompressed mæther and matter is compressed mæther.
Aether is displaced by matter.
The aether is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'.
The 'displacing back' is the pressure exerted by the aether.
Gravity is pressure exerted by displaced aether towards matter.

A moving C-60 molecule has an associated aether displacement wave. The
C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit. The aether wave enters
and exits multiple slits. The aether wave creates interference upon
exiting the slits which alters the direction the C-60 molecule
travels. Detecting the C-60 molecule causes decoherence of the aether
wave and there is no interference.

'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?
By A. EINSTEIN'
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf

"If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass
diminishes by L/c2."

The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer
exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as
aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands in three
dimensions. The effect this transition has on the surrounding aether
and matter is energy.

Mass does not convert to energy. Matter converts to aether. As the
mæther transitions from matter to aether it increases in volume. The
physical effect the increase in volume has on the neighboring matter
and aether is energy.

The physical effect of mæther decompressing is energy.

Mass is conserved.

The rate at which an atomic clock 'ticks' is based upon the aether
pressure in which it exists. In terms of motion, the speed of a GPS
satellite with respect to the aether causes it to displace more aether
and for that aether to exert more pressure on the clock in the GPS
satellite than the aether pressure associated with a clock at rest
with respect to the Earth. This causes the GPS satellite clock to
"result in a delay of about 7 ìs/day". The aether pressure associated
with the aether displaced by the Earth exerts less pressure on the GPS
satellite than a similar clock at rest on the Earth" causing the GPS
clocks to appear faster by about 45 ìs/day". The aether pressure
associated with the speed at which the GPS satellite moves with
respect to the aether and the aether pressure associated with the
aether displaced by the Earth causes "clocks on the GPS satellites
[to] tick approximately 38 ìs/day faster than clocks on the ground."
(quoted text from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_relativity_on_GPS).

'The Need to Understand Mass'
By Roger Cashmore
Department of Physics
University of Oxford, UK.
http://www.phy.uct.ac.za/courses/phy400w/particle/higgs2.htm

"There is, however, one very clever and very elegant solution to this
problem, a solution first proposed by Peter Higgs. He proposed that
the whole of space is permeated by a field, similar in some ways to
the electromagnetic field. As particles move through space they travel
through this field, and if they interact with it they acquire what
appears to be mass. This is similar to the action of viscous forces
felt by particles moving through any thick liquid. the larger the
interaction of the particles with the field, the more mass they appear
to have. Thus the existence of this field is essential in Higg's
hypothesis for the production of the mass of particles."

The "action of viscous forces felt by particles moving through any
thick liquid" is the particles interaction with the aether. The force
is the pressure exerted by the displaced aether towards the particle.
The "thick liquid" is the aether behaving as a frictionless superfluid
'one something'.

"the larger the interaction of the particles with the field, the more
mass they appear to have." The faster the particle moves with respect
to the aether, the greater the pressure exerted by the displaced
aether towards the particle.

'Politics, Solid State and the Higgs'
By David Miller
Department of Physics and Astronomy
University College, London, UK.
http://www.phy.uct.ac.za/courses/phy400w/particle/higgs3.htm

"1. The Higgs Mechanism
In three dimensions, and with the complications of relativity, this is
the Higgs mechanism. In order to give particles mass, a background
field is invented which becomes locally distorted whenever a particle
moves through it. The distortion - the clustering of the field around
the particle - generates the particle's mass. The idea comes directly
from the physics of solids. Instead of a field spread throughout all
space a solid contains a lattice of positively charged crystal atoms.
When an electron moves through the lattice the atoms are attracted to
it, causing the electron's effective mass to be as much as 40 times
bigger than the mass of a free electron."

The distortion of the background field is the displacement of the
aether by the moving particle. The 'clustering' of the field around
the particle is the 'displacing back'. The 'clustering' of the field
is the pressure exerted by the displaced aether towards the particle.

"The idea comes directly from the physics of solids." The aether
behaves as a frictionless superfluid 'one something'.
From: Me, ...again! on


On Fri, 4 Jun 2010, PD wrote:

> On Jun 3, 6:57 pm, "Me, ...again!" <arthu...(a)mv.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I kinda followed a lot of what you wrote. Yes, I see some problems
>> according to what you say. What it boils down to for me is that a lot of
>> these "theories" or "explanations" are very non-intuitive. I like
>> intuitive understandings, etc., but it bothers me that to "understand"
>> some of this weird stuff, you have to accept non-intuitive intellectual
>> "constructs" which seem to me to be full of intuitive sub-constructs. The
>> book I cited did not go into the semantic/intepretational level, but did
>> accept that there were problems. I might type up a few quotes from the
>> chapter on the wave-particle duality where the author was hedging what he
>> wrote. Hope you are following what I'm saying.
>>
>
> I think you've nailed your own apprehensions on the head, and this is
> not uncommon. Many people believe that a physical theory ought to make
> intuitive sense FIRST and THEN if it also fits data well, it can be
> considered successful. Or conversely, if you have a theory that fits
> the data well but doesn't make intuitive sense, then there is
> nonetheless something wrong with it.

Yes, but there are other issues such as: can the data be explained by
alternate models. Also, I was never all that satisfied with the "ether"
model because it seemed like a "fudge".

Then, the whole idea of an expanding universe was something uncanny. How
do you have a finite universe, expanding at the speed of light, and this
infinite megazillion light-years size ball of galaxies all has to be
"inside" an even bigger infinite box of, what, nothingness?

So, my short, frank answer is going to be: OK, I am incapable of
understanding, accepting this non-intuititive knowledge. Almost a paradox.

However, when I read the works of philosophers who went into interesting
detail on Newton's laws (eg. that book I said I read: "Beyond the edge
of certainty" by Colodney), I realized that one's thinking has to be
much more careful. And, for the record, I _did_ follow what those guys
wrote (and they were all professors at universities, too).

> However, this approach is not the best one in science. Intuition is a
> liar and a cheat.

It also gives you that "gut feeling" that something ain't right.

_MAYBE_ intuition can _sometimes_ be a liar and a cheat, and I can think
of examples where deeper study reveals a better picture.

> PD
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