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From: Ron Johnson on 14 Apr 2010 09:30 On 2010-04-13 22:50, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Hugo Vanwoerkom put forth on 4/13/2010 3:53 PM: [snip] > > Either way, avoid onboard RealTek ethernet as it's not currently supported > well by Debian. One might be able to make it work, but the process requires > some serious hoop jumping. > Really? RealTek chips are as common as flies on horse poop, and works perfectly for me. $ lspci -vs 03:00.0 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 02) Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology GA-EP45-DS5 Motherboard Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 28 I/O ports at ce00 [size=256] Memory at fddff000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=4K] Memory at fdde0000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=64K] [virtual] Expansion ROM at fdd00000 [disabled] [size=64K] Capabilities: <access denied> Kernel driver in use: r8169 -- Dissent is patriotic, remember? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4BC5C2F0.7060801(a)cox.net
From: Ryan Manikowski on 14 Apr 2010 10:10 On 4/14/2010 9:28 AM, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 2010-04-13 22:50, Stan Hoeppner wrote: >> Hugo Vanwoerkom put forth on 4/13/2010 3:53 PM: > [snip] >> >> Either way, avoid onboard RealTek ethernet as it's not currently >> supported >> well by Debian. One might be able to make it work, but the process >> requires >> some serious hoop jumping. >> > > Really? RealTek chips are as common as flies on horse poop, and > works perfectly for me. > > $ lspci -vs 03:00.0 > 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. > RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 02) > Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology GA-EP45-DS5 Motherboard > Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 28 > I/O ports at ce00 [size=256] > Memory at fddff000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=4K] > Memory at fdde0000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=64K] > [virtual] Expansion ROM at fdd00000 [disabled] [size=64K] > Capabilities: <access denied> > Kernel driver in use: r8169 > Same here. Realtek 100mbit and GigE chips have always worked great regardless of kernel version. The chipsets that have horrible support are the Marvell adapters that use the 'sky2' module. See this thread for details (sky2 module has still not been fixed since its introduction in 8/2006): http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-487018-postdays-0-postorder-asc-start-0.html -- Ryan Manikowski ]] Devision Media Services LLC [[ www.devision.us ryan(a)devision.us | 716.771.2282 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4BC5CB02.7080905(a)devision.us
From: Camaleón on 14 Apr 2010 10:20 On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 10:02:42 -0400, Ryan Manikowski wrote: > On 4/14/2010 9:28 AM, Ron Johnson wrote: >> Really? RealTek chips are as common as flies on horse poop, and works >> perfectly for me. >> (...) > Same here. Realtek 100mbit and GigE chips have always worked great > regardless of kernel version. The chipsets that have horrible support > are the Marvell adapters that use the 'sky2' module. > > See this thread for details (sky2 module has still not been fixed since > its introduction in 8/2006): > http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-487018-postdays-0-postorder-asc- start-0.html Mmmm... I manage some lenny systems running a variety of network adapters (mainly Intel -e1000e- , Realtek -r8169- and Marvell -skge-) and have not experienced any problem with them :-? Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.04.14.14.17.57(a)gmail.com
From: tv.debian on 14 Apr 2010 13:20 Le 14/04/2010 15:28, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 2010-04-13 22:50, Stan Hoeppner wrote: >> Hugo Vanwoerkom put forth on 4/13/2010 3:53 PM: > [snip] >> >> Either way, avoid onboard RealTek ethernet as it's not currently >> supported >> well by Debian. One might be able to make it work, but the process >> requires >> some serious hoop jumping. >> > > Really? RealTek chips are as common as flies on horse poop, and works > perfectly for me. > > $ lspci -vs 03:00.0 > 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. > RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 02) > Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology GA-EP45-DS5 Motherboard > Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 28 > I/O ports at ce00 [size=256] > Memory at fddff000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=4K] > Memory at fdde0000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=64K] > [virtual] Expansion ROM at fdd00000 [disabled] [size=64K] > Capabilities: <access denied> > Kernel driver in use: r8169 > Hi, I have an Asus "sabertooth" 55i (socket LGA1156) with the same Realtek lan chip (rev03 here), no problem. The motherboard is overpriced due to it's marketing hype regarding "military" grade components and "Ceramix" coated heatsinks , but otherwise it's working great, and very cool too with an Intel Core i7. Layout is good for my needs, ample space for large video card without blocking any sata port. Bundle is limited to bare minimum (esata/usb bracket and a few cables). Used for video processing mainly, occasional kernel compilations, virtualbox vm and the occasional game.Works with Squeeze amd64 with stock kernel (minor sound glitches with on-board chip) and currently 2.6.33.2 (100% functional), suspend works too. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4BC5F916.80103(a)googlemail.com
From: Stan Hoeppner on 14 Apr 2010 23:00 Ron Johnson put forth on 4/14/2010 8:28 AM: > On 2010-04-13 22:50, Stan Hoeppner wrote: >> Hugo Vanwoerkom put forth on 4/13/2010 3:53 PM: > [snip] >> >> Either way, avoid onboard RealTek ethernet as it's not currently >> supported >> well by Debian. One might be able to make it work, but the process >> requires >> some serious hoop jumping. >> > > Really? RealTek chips are as common as flies on horse poop, and works > perfectly for me. Check the list archives. Not long ago (couple months maybe) Debian released a 2.6.3x.x (not sure if it was Stable or Testing) kernel that omitted the RealTek firmware blob due to "non free" status of the code, thus bricking ethernet for quite a few users who upgraded to the new kernel via regular aptitude upgrades. Is this situation fixed with newer Debian kernels or are you manually telling the driver where to grab the firmware file on the root filesystem? Was this situation limited to just that one kernel release? At least a couple of people on this list went out and bought non-RealTek PCI NICs to fix the problem instead of reverting to the older kernel. Looking at the big picture leads me to believe RTL chips aren't a good long term solution, _especially_ for Debian users, since Debian is the most anal about "free" code. This scenario could very well happen again in the future if the Debian kernel team decides some future RealTek firmware isn't "free" and removes the firmware blob again. Additionally I've seen a number of people state their GigE RTL chips only achieve about 1/3rd of wire speed whereas Intel chips get over 80% of wire speed without jumbo frames. TTBOMK there has never been a "free" code issue with Intel drivers or firmware. They have a very long term rock solid track record. Thus, I recommend users to stay away from RealTek chips and go with Intel when they can. Yeah, RTL is "everywhere" because they're cheap as horse dung, but there are plenty of alternatives, if one just looks around a bit. AFAIK, for those who roll their own kernels from kernel.org source, there's no problem with RTL chips if you compile all blobs into the kernel. For those using stock Debian kernels, RTL chips have been a problem, and may yet be again. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4BC680EB.9020704(a)hardwarefreak.com
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