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From: Joseph M. Newcomer on 20 May 2010 20:05
See my takeoff on Dr. Seuss's "If I ran the Zoo", called "If I wrote a view",

http://www.flounder.com/mcgrews_view.htm

I�ll go to the heap and with bits I�ll hobnobj,
And avoiding the Bobj, I�ll bring back an obj.
And with it, I�ll start up a really big jobj,
That solves a completely intractable probj.
Then people will flock to my site, in a mobj,
"McGrew:, they will say, "has done more than enobj!
He writes with such vim, and he writes with such vigor,
His new view, McGrew�s View, gets bigger and bigger!"

NOBODY should forget "Bob"!
joe

On Thu, 20 May 2010 14:39:25 -0400, "Pete Delgado" <Peter.Delgado(a)NoSpam.com> wrote:

>Joe, obviously you have forgotten Microsoft Bob. Nuff said! lol
>
>-Pete
>
>"Joseph M. Newcomer" <newcomer(a)flounder.com> wrote in message
>news:64n9v5l4klombhgln2d643soqfs3urt024(a)4ax.com...
>> The decision is poorly thought out and community-hostile. But what can
>> you expect from a
>> company that would release products like VS.NET (with its user-hostile
>> IDE) and Office
>> 2007 (with the worst user interface of any product in history).
>> joe
>>
>> On Wed, 19 May 2010 15:48:05 -0700, nntp(a)microsoft.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>What is Happening?
>>>This message is to inform you that Microsoft will soon begin discontinuing
>>>newsgroups and transitioning users to Microsoft forums.
>>>
>>>Why?
>>>As you may know, newsgroups have existed for many years now; however, the
>>>traffic in the Microsoft newsgroups has been steadily decreasing for the
>>>past several years while customers and participants are increasingly
>>>finding
>>>solutions in the forums on Microsoft properties and third party sites.
>>>This
>>>move will unify the customer experience, centralize content, make it
>>>easier
>>>for active contributors to retain their influence, mitigate redundancies
>>>and
>>>make the content easier to find by customers and search engines through
>>>improved indexing. Additionally, forums offer a better user and spam
>>>management platform that will improve customer satisfaction by encouraging
>>>a
>>>healthy discussion in a clean community space. To this end, Microsoft
>>>will
>>>begin to progressively shift available resources to the forums technology
>>>and discontinue support for newsgroups.
>>>
>>>In addition to offering a compelling online browser experience, for those
>>>users who prefer to use an NNTP (newsgroup) reader to participate in the
>>>newsgroups community, we have developed a solution called the NNTP Bridge
>>>which allows a user to connect a variety of supported NNTP readers to the
>>>forums they would like to participate in and continue having the NTTP
>>>reader
>>>functionality. You can find instructions on how to download and set up
>>>the
>>>NNTP Bridge here: http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums/
>>>
>>>Which Newsgroups Are Affected by this Shutdown?
>>>All public newsgroups will eventually be closed between June 1, 2010 and
>>>October 1, 2010. Microsoft will be closing newsgroups in a phased
>>>approach,
>>>starting with the least active newsgroups and moving eventually to more
>>>active ones throughout the course of the next six months.
>>>
>>>
>>>Where Should I go with the Closure of this Newsgroup?
>>>In an effort to enhance and improve your experience, this newsgroup is
>>>scheduled for closure in the upcoming months and we would like to invite
>>>you to participate at
>>>http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vssmartdevicesnative/threads
>>>forum(s). An exact date will be posted in advance as plans are finalized.
>>>
>>>Should you want to visit the other Microsoft Forums, please go to
>>>http://www.microsoft.com/communities/forums/default.mspx
>>>
>>>Who Should I Contact with any Questions?
>>>Send any questions about the process, recommended forums and timing to
>>>NNTP(a)microsoft.com
>> Joseph M. Newcomer [MVP]
>> email: newcomer(a)flounder.com
>> Web: http://www.flounder.com
>> MVP Tips: http://www.flounder.com/mvp_tips.htm
>
Joseph M. Newcomer [MVP]
email: newcomer(a)flounder.com
Web: http://www.flounder.com
MVP Tips: http://www.flounder.com/mvp_tips.htm
From: Hector Santos on 20 May 2010 21:02
Stop! <g>

BobF wrote:


> I realize some consider MS a religious experience, but you actually have
> clerics?!

> On 5/20/2010 4:34 PM, Michael Fosmire [MSFT] wrote:
>> Hey folks,
>>
>> This looks like a very obvious clerical error. I'll talk to the cleric
>> in charge and get this fixed.
>>
>> -mike

From: Doug Harrison [MVP] on 20 May 2010 21:23
On Thu, 20 May 2010 19:04:48 -0500, BobF <nothanks(a)nospam.yum> wrote:

>I realize some consider MS a religious experience, but you actually have
>clerics?!

They're like Grammaton Clerics. You don't want to mess with them.

--
Doug Harrison
Visual C++ MVP
From: Liviu on 21 May 2010 02:00
"Michael Fosmire [MSFT]" <mikefos(a)online.microsoft.com> wrote...
>
> This looks like a very obvious clerical error. I'll talk to the
> cleric in charge and get this fixed.

While at it, you may want to have the "cleric" fix it for the
microsoft.public.vc.atl group, too, where the latest pointer
(from just after you posted the message above) is...

|| Where Should I go with the Closure of this Newsgroup?
|| [...] We recommend that you start with
|| http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/categories

....a generic listing-of-all web forums. It should rather be the same one
repeatedly mentioned here, most recently by Giovanni two posts above.

>> I think this should be the right place:
>>
>> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vcmfcatl/threads

There are more dubious choices of "recommended redirection" for
..win32.programmer.ole, .win2000.cmdprompt.admin to name a couple
which I happened to look at. Doesn't MS care to plan such massive
migration in advance at all?

While I reckon that most of the regulars here must have already made
up their minds about going - or not - to the closed web forums, so these
missteps may well be inconsequential in some sense, yet the last
impression left by MS before shutting down their nntp server will have
been of utter unprofessional incoordination.

Liviu


From: nntp on 21 May 2010 02:36
Hi All-

This has been corrected as requested! My apologies for the incorrect
pointer.

Thanks!


"Doug Harrison [MVP]" <dsh(a)mvps.org> wrote in message
news:70obv5phe7q0e6qehnv0d61ubnkdl6uumj(a)4ax.com...
> On Thu, 20 May 2010 19:04:48 -0500, BobF <nothanks(a)nospam.yum> wrote:
>
>>I realize some consider MS a religious experience, but you actually have
>>clerics?!
>
> They're like Grammaton Clerics. You don't want to mess with them.
>
> --
> Doug Harrison
> Visual C++ MVP

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