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From: Willie Moore on 4 Jul 2008 19:19 John, RP3 for Vulcan (which can be called by VO in exactly the same way) has PDF support and works very well. MIssed you at Devfest this year. I did a session where I showed the new version of RP. Regards, Willie <john.roe(a)roeville.com> wrote in message news:af24e8fe-b052-47b5-99fe-c5bbadc16fb7(a)2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com... > Hi > > I'm using the PDF export feature included in Report Pro with VO2.8 but > the lack of support for images and special fonts is very > disappointing, and restricts it's use for commercial output. > > Does anyone know of any workarounds or if PDF support is likely to be > improved in the near future? > > I've played around with PDF995 - an excellent product - but a > professional integrated solution for Report Pro is what's long been > required. > > Thanks > > John
From: Geoff Schaller on 4 Jul 2008 19:40 Tim, Actually you are wrong on several fronts. First, there is no real performance difference between RP2 and RP3 that we can detect. I am not sure how you could prove otherwise. Most of the reports I've had to deal with show up in the viewer in under 1 second so how can anything be detectably faster. Secondly, I can have PDF with RP2 (and do) so where is the benefit from it being in RP3? But hand coded reports are simply critical and the kludgey work arounds for RP3 are a total nuisance. Code integration is horrendously complex compared with RP2. The move to OCX and classmate was a disaster on both fronts. We get far more 5333 with the OCX version and it is a pain to implement in normal VO code. RP2 was just there, it was pure VO code and could be easily extended. Extending RP3 is beyond the average VO coder so no, it is not a brilliant piece of software, it was a serious miscalculation and a poor business decision. And the evidence is very loud. Very few people chose to move to RP3 (the forum has been full of complaints over the years) and many of those who did move seriously regret it. Geoff "Tim Shea" <tim(a)ampl.com.au> wrote in message news:15b3cb9c-150a-48b5-a001-5f52e60bcfd8(a)h1g2000prh.googlegroups.com: > Hi Geoff, > > Going to take you to task over this one. I have been using RP3 for a > number of years and it is FAR superior to RP2 or Crystal. It is three > times faster and really addresses just about all the shortcomings of > RP2. > > There is a work-around to hard coding reports. It is just a pity that > others haven't encouraged Larry to develop this brilliant piece of > software further. > > Haven't used RS, but I suspect it's heavily tied into Microsoft > environments (MS-SQL Server etc) which is fine if you are doing that > sort of thing. > > Tim > > On Jul 4, 9:37 am, "Geoff Schaller" > <geo...(a)softxwareobjectives.com.au> wrote: > > > But seriously John, it isn't going to happen. > > > > As it stands we've altered RP2 to work with our SQL classes and VO2Ado > > quite nicely but as for extending it, it is just a VO app and will > > therefore do what a VO app can and can't. I am much more comfortable > > with RS in a local report viewer. What do you mean by heavy? There are > > less DLLs to distribute than with RP! > > > > RP3, though, was a disaster. I've got no idea what went through Larry's > > head when he did this. He killed off all the good features of RP2 > > without making any substantial performance improvements. It just became > > a mess to integrate with existing VO because now it revolves being an > > OCX and being based on Classmate. Both were serious mistakes and I guess > > he paid for it with the loss of business. > > > > Geoff > > > > "john....(a)roeville.com" <john....(a)roeville.com> wrote in message > > > > news:915b5ebe-2824-4227-8d6b-8fcb634528e5(a)k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com: > > > > > > On 3 Jul, 23:47, "Geoff Schaller" <geo...(a)softxwareobjectives.com.au> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Use MS Reporting Services instead. > > > > Far superior on all fronts. > > > > > > "john....(a)roeville.com" <john....(a)roeville.com> wrote in message > > > > > >news:af24e8fe-b052-47b5-99fe-c5bbadc16fb7(a)2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com: > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > I'm using the PDF export feature included in Report Pro with VO2.8 but > > > > > the lack of support for images and special fonts is very > > > > > disappointing, and restricts it's use for commercial output. > > > > > > > Does anyone know of any workarounds or if PDF support is likely to be > > > > > improved in the near future? > > > > > > > I've played around with PDF995 - an excellent product - but a > > > > > professional integrated solution for Report Pro is what's long been > > > > > required. > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > John- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > Hi Geoff > > > > > We're using Reporting Services in some of our C#/M$ SQL apps and it's > > > brilliant - but a tad heavyweight for the desktop apps. I still think > > > Report Pro has its place and just wish someone would take it forward. > > > > > KR > > > > > John
From: Geoff Schaller on 4 Jul 2008 19:44 Erik, The fact remains that RP2 is fast enough so what does 'fast' really mean? However, the chief concern I have is that RP2 was VO code using the VO GUI classes. We could easily extend it to make it do what we wanted and integrate it directly into our application class framework. We cannot do this with RP3 as he has basically changed the entire data access layer and of course made it based on Classmate. Finally, the OCX'ification made it much harder to class-integrate his code back into an application. Sorry, but RP2 is superior for us on just so many fronts. We will not deal with RP3, especially as our new stuff goes to RS anyhow. Geoff "ER!k \/!sser" <nospam(a)nospam.com> wrote in message news:6d6geeF13vq3U1(a)mid.individual.net: > Hi Geoff, > > I do not agree with you on this one. > RP3 is very very fast and it is easy to use it like RP2. Several people have > written about this, and your Phil McGuiness collected them and has written > an article about this. > You can find this article on > http://www.sdn.nl/Default.aspx?tabid=186&mid=648&ctl=ViewArticle&ItemID=2448 > > I have assign this article 'public' so you do not even have to register to > be able to read it. > > Erik > > > "Geoff Schaller" <geoffx(a)softxwareobjectives.com.au> schreef in bericht > news:486d62c4(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au... > > > But seriously John, it isn't going to happen. > > > > As it stands we've altered RP2 to work with our SQL classes and VO2Ado > > quite nicely but as for extending it, it is just a VO app and will > > therefore do what a VO app can and can't. I am much more comfortable with > > RS in a local report viewer. What do you mean by heavy? There are less > > DLLs to distribute than with RP! > > > > RP3, though, was a disaster. I've got no idea what went through Larry's > > head when he did this. He killed off all the good features of RP2 without > > making any substantial performance improvements. It just became a mess to > > integrate with existing VO because now it revolves being an OCX and being > > based on Classmate. Both were serious mistakes and I guess he paid for it > > with the loss of business. > > > > Geoff > > > > > > "john.roe(a)roeville.com" <john.roe(a)roeville.com> wrote in message > > news:915b5ebe-2824-4227-8d6b-8fcb634528e5(a)k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com: > > > > >> On 3 Jul, 23:47, "Geoff Schaller" <geo...(a)softxwareobjectives.com.au> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > Use MS Reporting Services instead. > >> > Far superior on all fronts. > >> > > >> > "john....(a)roeville.com" <john....(a)roeville.com> wrote in message > >> > > >> > news:af24e8fe-b052-47b5-99fe-c5bbadc16fb7(a)2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Hi > >> > > >> > > I'm using the PDF export feature included in Report Pro with VO2.8 > >> > > but > >> > > the lack of support for images and special fonts is very > >> > > disappointing, and restricts it's use for commercial output. > >> > > >> > > Does anyone know of any workarounds or if PDF support is likely to be > >> > > improved in the near future? > >> > > >> > > I've played around with PDF995 - an excellent product - but a > >> > > professional integrated solution for Report Pro is what's long been > >> > > required. > >> > > >> > > Thanks > >> > > >> > > John- Hide quoted text - > >> > > >> > > >> > - Show quoted text - > >> > >> > > >> Hi Geoff > >> > >> We're using Reporting Services in some of our C#/M$ SQL apps and it's > >> brilliant - but a tad heavyweight for the desktop apps. I still think > >> Report Pro has its place and just wish someone would take it forward. > >> > >> KR > >> > >> John > > >
From: Tim Shea on 7 Jul 2008 08:08 Hi Geoff, I work with RP3 every day. Suggest you check out the features of RP3. It is well worth the effort. The trouble is I haven't used RP2 for years, simply because RP3 is so much better. Hence many of the finer details are lost in the anals of time. However, the three fold speed improvement IS real. The Classmate origins does have an effect, but I suspect that Larry learnt much for RP2. For example, we had a statement report that was producing a 10MB temporary file size for every statement. Not a problem with one statement, but it was with a run of 1,000. RP3 reduced the temp file to an insignificant size. 5333 errors are pretty rare and can always be traced back to me, not RP3. If you are worried about the OCX, a DLL interface has been written. Some of our group are Crystal experts and swear by it. For me, RP3 is a major tool, and serious database development would be much harder without it. Tim > Tim, > > Actually you are wrong on several fronts. First, there is no real > performance difference between RP2 and RP3 that we can detect. I am not > sure how you could prove otherwise. Most of the reports I've had to deal > with show up in the viewer in under 1 second so how can anything be > detectably faster. Secondly, I can have PDF with RP2 (and do) so where > is the benefit from it being in RP3? But hand coded reports are simply > critical and the kludgey work arounds for RP3 are a total nuisance. Code > integration is horrendously complex compared with RP2. > > The move to OCX and classmate was a disaster on both fronts. We get far > more 5333 with the OCX version and it is a pain to implement in normal > VO code. RP2 was just there, it was pure VO code and could be easily > extended. Extending RP3 is beyond the average VO coder so no, it is not > a brilliant piece of software, it was a serious miscalculation and a > poor business decision. > > And the evidence is very loud. Very few people chose to move to RP3 (the > forum has been full of complaints over the years) and many of those who > did move seriously regret it. > > Geoff > > "Tim Shea" <t...(a)ampl.com.au> wrote in message > > news:15b3cb9c-150a-48b5-a001-5f52e60bcfd8(a)h1g2000prh.googlegroups.com: > > > Hi Geoff, > > > Going to take you to task over this one. I have been using RP3 for a > > number of years and it is FAR superior to RP2 or Crystal. It is three > > times faster and really addresses just about all the shortcomings of > > RP2. > > > There is a work-around to hard coding reports. It is just a pity that > > others haven't encouraged Larry to develop this brilliant piece of > > software further. > > > Haven't used RS, but I suspect it's heavily tied into Microsoft > > environments (MS-SQL Server etc) which is fine if you are doing that > > sort of thing. > > > Tim > > > On Jul 4, 9:37 am, "Geoff Schaller" > > <geo...(a)softxwareobjectives.com.au> wrote: > > > > But seriously John, it isn't going to happen. > > > > As it stands we've altered RP2 to work with our SQL classes and VO2Ado > > > quite nicely but as for extending it, it is just a VO app and will > > > therefore do what a VO app can and can't. I am much more comfortable > > > with RS in a local report viewer. What do you mean by heavy? There are > > > less DLLs to distribute than with RP! > > > > RP3, though, was a disaster. I've got no idea what went through Larry's > > > head when he did this. He killed off all the good features of RP2 > > > without making any substantial performance improvements. It just became > > > a mess to integrate with existing VO because now it revolves being an > > > OCX and being based on Classmate. Both were serious mistakes and I guess > > > he paid for it with the loss of business. > > > > Geoff > > > > "john....(a)roeville.com" <john....(a)roeville.com> wrote in message > > > >news:915b5ebe-2824-4227-8d6b-8fcb634528e5(a)k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com: > > > > > On 3 Jul, 23:47, "Geoff Schaller" <geo...(a)softxwareobjectives.com.au> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Use MS Reporting Services instead. > > > > > Far superior on all fronts. > > > > > > "john....(a)roeville.com" <john....(a)roeville.com> wrote in message > > > > > >news:af24e8fe-b052-47b5-99fe-c5bbadc16fb7(a)2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com: > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > I'm using the PDF export feature included in Report Pro with VO2.8 but > > > > > > the lack of support for images and special fonts is very > > > > > > disappointing, and restricts it's use for commercial output. > > > > > > > Does anyone know of any workarounds or if PDF support is likely to be > > > > > > improved in the near future? > > > > > > > I've played around with PDF995 - an excellent product - but a > > > > > > professional integrated solution for Report Pro is what's long been > > > > > > required. > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > John- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Hi Geoff > > > > > We're using Reporting Services in some of our C#/M$ SQL apps and it's > > > > brilliant - but a tad heavyweight for the desktop apps. I still think > > > > Report Pro has its place and just wish someone would take it forward. > > > > > KR > > > > > John
From: Tim Shea on 7 Jul 2008 08:10
Hi Willie, Haven't gone for Vulcan until RP becomes available. Tim On Jul 5, 9:19 am, "Willie Moore" <will...(a)wmconsulting.com> wrote: > John, > > RP3 for Vulcan (which can be called by VO in exactly the same way) has PDF support and works very well. MIssed you at Devfest this year. I did a session where I showed the new version of RP. > > Regards, > > Willie > > <john....(a)roeville.com> wrote in messagenews:af24e8fe-b052-47b5-99fe-c5bbadc16fb7(a)2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com... > > Hi > > > I'm using the PDF export feature included in Report Pro with VO2.8 but > > the lack of support for images and special fonts is very > > disappointing, and restricts it's use for commercial output. > > > Does anyone know of any workarounds or if PDF support is likely to be > > improved in the near future? > > > I've played around with PDF995 - an excellent product - but a > > professional integrated solution for Report Pro is what's long been > > required. > > > Thanks > > > John |