SBS 2008 and eSATA
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From: Larry Struckmeyer[SBS-MVP] on 28 Feb 2010 18:10 Jaredean: Sorry to be so late coming to this thread. Have to admit I skip read it mostly. I think you have a couple of options. If there are vacant SATA ports on the MOBO you can use a cable with an external port to extend that to the back of the server. (Actually, you could use a plain SATA cable if you tape over the slot cover you pass it through <g>.) If you don't have a spare port on the mobo, it depends on the type of expansion slot that is available on the mobo. With a newer mobo, I would expect you to find a PCI-X slot, but if all there is is a PCI slot, your options are fairly limited. I have a Dell 1600SC server with only PCI available, and wanted a card with 3.0 GBs transfer rate, and besides that I have a hard time trusting $15.00 cards in a server. After a lot of looking, here is what I chose: http://www.promise.com/product/product_detail_eng.asp?segment=undefined&product_id=168 which is available, among lots of other places, at: http://www.amazon.com/SATA300-TX4302-2PORT-Esata-Ext/dp/B000G14VL2 In my case, I think the higher price denotes a bit of quality that may not be available for $15, and it is specked at 3.0 GBs. - Larry Please post the resolution to your issue so others may benefit - Get Your SBS Health Check at www.sbsbpa.com > I am prepping a Dell T610 and want to add in an eSATA card so i can > use 1 TB eSATA drives as backup...does anyone have experience using > eSATA w/SBS or the T610? I don't really know what card would work > best or what i'm in for in terms of getting it working, at least so it > is Hot Swapable... > > jared >
From: Leonid S. Knyshov // SBS Expert on 1 Mar 2010 06:07 On 2/28/2010 3:10 PM, Larry Struckmeyer[SBS-MVP] wrote: > Jaredean: > > Sorry to be so late coming to this thread. Have to admit I skip read it > mostly. I think you have a couple of options. If there are vacant SATA > ports on the MOBO you can use a cable with an external port to extend > that to the back of the server. (Actually, you could use a plain SATA > cable if you tape over the slot cover you pass it through <g>.) > > If you don't have a spare port on the mobo, it depends on the type of > expansion slot that is available on the mobo. With a newer mobo, I would > expect you to find a PCI-X slot, but if all there is is a PCI slot, your > options are fairly limited. I have a Dell 1600SC server with only PCI > available, and wanted a card with 3.0 GBs transfer rate, and besides > that I have a hard time trusting $15.00 cards in a server. After a lot > of looking, here is what I chose: > > http://www.promise.com/product/product_detail_eng.asp?segment=undefined&product_id=168 > > > which is available, among lots of other places, at: > > http://www.amazon.com/SATA300-TX4302-2PORT-Esata-Ext/dp/B000G14VL2 > > In my case, I think the higher price denotes a bit of quality that may > not be available for $15, and it is specked at 3.0 GBs. I addressed this scenario (eSata brackets to internal SATA ports). It eliminates one crucial element - the drive will not show up in the "Safely remove device" taskbar component. You may also have issues with enabling write back cache. For that reason alone I advocate against that solution. I am still looking for the registry hack to enable that. I know it can be done, but just haven't dedicated enough time to find it yet. Secondly, modern inexpensive servers typically used in SBS land are more likely to have PCI Express slots than PCI-X slots. Those are not the same. There is ample bus on PCI to support an eSata drive for backup workload. A PCI controller will fit into a PCI-X slot but is incompatible with a PCI Express slot. The Promise product recommendation is good though. All modern SATA controllers are 3GB/sec. The older 1.5GB/sec are hard to find in the dual eSata configuration. Most of them use the same chipset. :) The plain SATA cable won't plug into an eSata connector. There are special SATA to eSata cables available. I personally use them along with an external PSU in a lab environment to speed up my data recovery processes. -- Leonid S. Knyshov Crashproof Solutions 510-282-1008 Twitter: @wiseleo http://crashproofsolutions.com Microsoft Small Business Specialist Please vote "helpful" if I helped you :)
From: Larry Struckmeyer[SBS-MVP] on 1 Mar 2010 11:33 Thanks..... one of the reasons I come here is for the vast store of user knowledge that is shared. I learn something every day. - Larry Please post the resolution to your issue so others may benefit - Get Your SBS Health Check at www.sbsbpa.com > On 2/28/2010 3:10 PM, Larry Struckmeyer[SBS-MVP] wrote: > >> Jaredean: >> >> Sorry to be so late coming to this thread. Have to admit I skip read >> it mostly. I think you have a couple of options. If there are vacant >> SATA ports on the MOBO you can use a cable with an external port to >> extend that to the back of the server. (Actually, you could use a >> plain SATA cable if you tape over the slot cover you pass it through >> <g>.) >> >> If you don't have a spare port on the mobo, it depends on the type of >> expansion slot that is available on the mobo. With a newer mobo, I >> would expect you to find a PCI-X slot, but if all there is is a PCI >> slot, your options are fairly limited. I have a Dell 1600SC server >> with only PCI available, and wanted a card with 3.0 GBs transfer >> rate, and besides that I have a hard time trusting $15.00 cards in a >> server. After a lot of looking, here is what I chose: >> >> http://www.promise.com/product/product_detail_eng.asp?segment=undefin >> ed&product_id=168 >> >> which is available, among lots of other places, at: >> >> http://www.amazon.com/SATA300-TX4302-2PORT-Esata-Ext/dp/B000G14VL2 >> >> In my case, I think the higher price denotes a bit of quality that >> may not be available for $15, and it is specked at 3.0 GBs. >> > I addressed this scenario (eSata brackets to internal SATA ports). It > eliminates one crucial element - the drive will not show up in the > "Safely remove device" taskbar component. You may also have issues > with enabling write back cache. For that reason alone I advocate > against that solution. I am still looking for the registry hack to > enable that. I know it can be done, but just haven't dedicated enough > time to find it yet. > > Secondly, modern inexpensive servers typically used in SBS land are > more likely to have PCI Express slots than PCI-X slots. Those are not > the same. There is ample bus on PCI to support an eSata drive for > backup workload. A PCI controller will fit into a PCI-X slot but is > incompatible with a PCI Express slot. > > The Promise product recommendation is good though. > > All modern SATA controllers are 3GB/sec. The older 1.5GB/sec are hard > to find in the dual eSata configuration. Most of them use the same > chipset. :) > > The plain SATA cable won't plug into an eSata connector. There are > special SATA to eSata cables available. I personally use them along > with an external PSU in a lab environment to speed up my data recovery > processes. >
From: Jaredean on 1 Mar 2010 12:29 Yes, Lenoid has been very helpful (that will teach you to skim :-) I found that my server has 5 - PCIe Generation 2 slots, so i'm good...i'll be looking at buying one today to prep the backup scenario now... thanks again! jared On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 16:33:44 +0000 (UTC), Larry Struckmeyer[SBS-MVP] <lstruckmeyer(a)mis-wizards.com> wrote: >Thanks..... one of the reasons I come here is for the vast store of user >knowledge that is shared. I learn something every day. > >- >Larry >Please post the resolution to your >issue so others may benefit >- >Get Your SBS Health Check at >www.sbsbpa.com > > >> On 2/28/2010 3:10 PM, Larry Struckmeyer[SBS-MVP] wrote: >> >>> Jaredean: >>> >>> Sorry to be so late coming to this thread. Have to admit I skip read >>> it mostly. I think you have a couple of options. If there are vacant >>> SATA ports on the MOBO you can use a cable with an external port to >>> extend that to the back of the server. (Actually, you could use a >>> plain SATA cable if you tape over the slot cover you pass it through >>> <g>.) >>> >>> If you don't have a spare port on the mobo, it depends on the type of >>> expansion slot that is available on the mobo. With a newer mobo, I >>> would expect you to find a PCI-X slot, but if all there is is a PCI >>> slot, your options are fairly limited. I have a Dell 1600SC server >>> with only PCI available, and wanted a card with 3.0 GBs transfer >>> rate, and besides that I have a hard time trusting $15.00 cards in a >>> server. After a lot of looking, here is what I chose: >>> >>> http://www.promise.com/product/product_detail_eng.asp?segment=undefin >>> ed&product_id=168 >>> >>> which is available, among lots of other places, at: >>> >>> http://www.amazon.com/SATA300-TX4302-2PORT-Esata-Ext/dp/B000G14VL2 >>> >>> In my case, I think the higher price denotes a bit of quality that >>> may not be available for $15, and it is specked at 3.0 GBs. >>> >> I addressed this scenario (eSata brackets to internal SATA ports). It >> eliminates one crucial element - the drive will not show up in the >> "Safely remove device" taskbar component. You may also have issues >> with enabling write back cache. For that reason alone I advocate >> against that solution. I am still looking for the registry hack to >> enable that. I know it can be done, but just haven't dedicated enough >> time to find it yet. >> >> Secondly, modern inexpensive servers typically used in SBS land are >> more likely to have PCI Express slots than PCI-X slots. Those are not >> the same. There is ample bus on PCI to support an eSata drive for >> backup workload. A PCI controller will fit into a PCI-X slot but is >> incompatible with a PCI Express slot. >> >> The Promise product recommendation is good though. >> >> All modern SATA controllers are 3GB/sec. The older 1.5GB/sec are hard >> to find in the dual eSata configuration. Most of them use the same >> chipset. :) >> >> The plain SATA cable won't plug into an eSata connector. There are >> special SATA to eSata cables available. I personally use them along >> with an external PSU in a lab environment to speed up my data recovery >> processes. >> >
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