SBS2008 / TS (RDS) Question
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From: Richard K on 23 May 2010 20:05 In this case they purchased the SBS2008 Standard and not premium so they will need to purchase 2008 Server software. I agree on the internal 15 users with them not needing a TS cal with the LOB installed on the their desktops and they can RWW into their desktops remotely. My bigger concern is the 50 external users. Yes I can probably make a case where those 50 external users can be consolidated into about 15 unique devices with about 3-4 users at that device so I am thinking 15 ts device cals in addition to the 2008 server license they need to purchase. The one last question I'm not quite understanding..... these remote users will be authenticating against the SBS when the remote in with the 2008 server as a member server. Do I need to cover SBS cals for them as well or are they good with the server and 15 device cals. -Richard "Larry Struckmeyer[SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer(a)mis-wizards.com> wrote in message news:4e683515ff2e8ccc8b3a4e4e980(a)news.microsoft.com... > Hi Richard: > > The "internal users", the 15 or so that have their own desktops and play > in the LAN are (or should be) covered by their SBS User Cals... so they > can connect from their stations while at work or from RWW to their > stations while out of the office. > > The SBS covers same version or older servers in the LAN so no Windows > Server CALS needed. > > The "external users" will be authenticating against the SBS, so they will > need SBS CALS, and, as you pointed out, TS cals. The only question I have > is if these "external users" are unique humans connecting from unique > computers. If there is "shift work" or such, where multiple users use the > same computers, say, 50 Users and 25 Computers, then you could use 25 > Device CALs. Otherwise, 50 of one or the other, probably User. > > - > Larry > Please post the resolution to your > issue so others may benefit > - > Get Your SBS Health Check at > www.sbsbpa.com > > >> I have a business that recently purchased a new SBS2008 Std solution. >> They asked me to look at it to get my thoughts on how it was >> configured and how they can effectively implement a LOB solution with >> remote users. They have about 15 users in the office and another 50 >> remote users who need to reach the LOB solution. I am thinking a good >> way to implement this for the remote users is with Terminal Server >> (RDS for Server 2008/R2). >> >> 1. They purchased an OEM SBS2008 Std so in order to implement >> Terminal Server they are going to need a Server 2008 license and TS >> (RDS) Cals for each remote user. (TS solution to be put on another >> physical box and not the SBS) Since this LOB application will be >> accessed by all inside and remote users am I assuming correctly that >> they will need SBS2008 Cals in addition to the TS Cals for all of >> these remote users? >> >> 2. Can TS cals be concurrent user based (e.g. 50 remote users but >> only 10 at a time using an TS session so how many cals do I need?) >> >> If there is anything else I need to think about and look into I would >> greatly appreciate pointing me in the right direction. I am good with >> the SBS but not the TS (now RDS) services and how best to implement >> this LOB solution. >> >> Thanks! >> >> -Richard K >> > >
From: Cliff Galiher - MVP on 23 May 2010 20:13 If you go TS then you will need SBS user CALs as well. -Cliff "Richard K" <rkokoski(a)foxdtechllc.com> wrote in message news:u892OTt#KHA.5476(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > In this case they purchased the SBS2008 Standard and not premium so they > will need to purchase 2008 Server software. I agree on the internal 15 > users with them not needing a TS cal with the LOB installed on the their > desktops and they can RWW into their desktops remotely. My bigger concern > is the 50 external users. Yes I can probably make a case where those 50 > external users can be consolidated into about 15 unique devices with about > 3-4 users at that device so I am thinking 15 ts device cals in addition to > the 2008 server license they need to purchase. > > The one last question I'm not quite understanding..... these remote users > will be authenticating against the SBS when the remote in with the 2008 > server as a member server. Do I need to cover SBS cals for them as well > or are they good with the server and 15 device cals. > > -Richard > > "Larry Struckmeyer[SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer(a)mis-wizards.com> wrote in > message news:4e683515ff2e8ccc8b3a4e4e980(a)news.microsoft.com... >> Hi Richard: >> >> The "internal users", the 15 or so that have their own desktops and play >> in the LAN are (or should be) covered by their SBS User Cals... so they >> can connect from their stations while at work or from RWW to their >> stations while out of the office. >> >> The SBS covers same version or older servers in the LAN so no Windows >> Server CALS needed. >> >> The "external users" will be authenticating against the SBS, so they will >> need SBS CALS, and, as you pointed out, TS cals. The only question I >> have is if these "external users" are unique humans connecting from >> unique computers. If there is "shift work" or such, where multiple users >> use the same computers, say, 50 Users and 25 Computers, then you could >> use 25 Device CALs. Otherwise, 50 of one or the other, probably User. >> >> - >> Larry >> Please post the resolution to your >> issue so others may benefit >> - >> Get Your SBS Health Check at >> www.sbsbpa.com >> >> >>> I have a business that recently purchased a new SBS2008 Std solution. >>> They asked me to look at it to get my thoughts on how it was >>> configured and how they can effectively implement a LOB solution with >>> remote users. They have about 15 users in the office and another 50 >>> remote users who need to reach the LOB solution. I am thinking a good >>> way to implement this for the remote users is with Terminal Server >>> (RDS for Server 2008/R2). >>> >>> 1. They purchased an OEM SBS2008 Std so in order to implement >>> Terminal Server they are going to need a Server 2008 license and TS >>> (RDS) Cals for each remote user. (TS solution to be put on another >>> physical box and not the SBS) Since this LOB application will be >>> accessed by all inside and remote users am I assuming correctly that >>> they will need SBS2008 Cals in addition to the TS Cals for all of >>> these remote users? >>> >>> 2. Can TS cals be concurrent user based (e.g. 50 remote users but >>> only 10 at a time using an TS session so how many cals do I need?) >>> >>> If there is anything else I need to think about and look into I would >>> greatly appreciate pointing me in the right direction. I am good with >>> the SBS but not the TS (now RDS) services and how best to implement >>> this LOB solution. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> -Richard K >>> >> >>
From: Richard K on 23 May 2010 20:48 OK, let's see if I have the numbers right 15 internal users (SBS2008 with 5 cals + 10 extra SBS std cals) 50 external users hitting the TS server via 15 unique computers (1 2008 Server, 15 TS device cals, 15 SBS device cals) Do I have that right? Just in case.... since these 50 external users don't have an internal computer to RWW into I will need to go the TS route for their desktops so they can access the LOB application. I'm thinking not but if I go the device cal route then can each of these 50 external users have a unique SBS login/email account on the SBS/E2k7? Any other alternatives that I should look at? Thanks cliff! "Cliff Galiher - MVP" <cgaliher(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:#wZYCYt#KHA.5464(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > If you go TS then you will need SBS user CALs as well. > > -Cliff > > > "Richard K" <rkokoski(a)foxdtechllc.com> wrote in message > news:u892OTt#KHA.5476(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> In this case they purchased the SBS2008 Standard and not premium so they >> will need to purchase 2008 Server software. I agree on the internal 15 >> users with them not needing a TS cal with the LOB installed on the their >> desktops and they can RWW into their desktops remotely. My bigger >> concern is the 50 external users. Yes I can probably make a case where >> those 50 external users can be consolidated into about 15 unique devices >> with about 3-4 users at that device so I am thinking 15 ts device cals in >> addition to the 2008 server license they need to purchase. >> >> The one last question I'm not quite understanding..... these remote users >> will be authenticating against the SBS when the remote in with the 2008 >> server as a member server. Do I need to cover SBS cals for them as well >> or are they good with the server and 15 device cals. >> >> -Richard >> >> "Larry Struckmeyer[SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer(a)mis-wizards.com> wrote in >> message news:4e683515ff2e8ccc8b3a4e4e980(a)news.microsoft.com... >>> Hi Richard: >>> >>> The "internal users", the 15 or so that have their own desktops and play >>> in the LAN are (or should be) covered by their SBS User Cals... so they >>> can connect from their stations while at work or from RWW to their >>> stations while out of the office. >>> >>> The SBS covers same version or older servers in the LAN so no Windows >>> Server CALS needed. >>> >>> The "external users" will be authenticating against the SBS, so they >>> will need SBS CALS, and, as you pointed out, TS cals. The only question >>> I have is if these "external users" are unique humans connecting from >>> unique computers. If there is "shift work" or such, where multiple users >>> use the same computers, say, 50 Users and 25 Computers, then you could >>> use 25 Device CALs. Otherwise, 50 of one or the other, probably User. >>> >>> - >>> Larry >>> Please post the resolution to your >>> issue so others may benefit >>> - >>> Get Your SBS Health Check at >>> www.sbsbpa.com >>> >>> >>>> I have a business that recently purchased a new SBS2008 Std solution. >>>> They asked me to look at it to get my thoughts on how it was >>>> configured and how they can effectively implement a LOB solution with >>>> remote users. They have about 15 users in the office and another 50 >>>> remote users who need to reach the LOB solution. I am thinking a good >>>> way to implement this for the remote users is with Terminal Server >>>> (RDS for Server 2008/R2). >>>> >>>> 1. They purchased an OEM SBS2008 Std so in order to implement >>>> Terminal Server they are going to need a Server 2008 license and TS >>>> (RDS) Cals for each remote user. (TS solution to be put on another >>>> physical box and not the SBS) Since this LOB application will be >>>> accessed by all inside and remote users am I assuming correctly that >>>> they will need SBS2008 Cals in addition to the TS Cals for all of >>>> these remote users? >>>> >>>> 2. Can TS cals be concurrent user based (e.g. 50 remote users but >>>> only 10 at a time using an TS session so how many cals do I need?) >>>> >>>> If there is anything else I need to think about and look into I would >>>> greatly appreciate pointing me in the right direction. I am good with >>>> the SBS but not the TS (now RDS) services and how best to implement >>>> this LOB solution. >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> -Richard K >>>> >>> >>>
From: Larry Struckmeyer[SBS-MVP] on 23 May 2010 20:51 SBS as well as TS allow for Device Licenses or CALS, so speak with MS Licensing as I described earlier. Any advice you get here is not definitive, however well informed. iirc, there is an upgrade from SBS 2008 standard to SBS 2008 Premium....???? http://www.microsoft.com/sbs/en/us/upgrade.aspx - Larry Please post the resolution to your issue so others may benefit - Get Your SBS Health Check at www.sbsbpa.com > In this case they purchased the SBS2008 Standard and not premium so > they will need to purchase 2008 Server software. I agree on the > internal 15 users with them not needing a TS cal with the LOB > installed on the their desktops and they can RWW into their desktops > remotely. My bigger concern is the 50 external users. Yes I can > probably make a case where those 50 external users can be consolidated > into about 15 unique devices with about 3-4 users at that device so I > am thinking 15 ts device cals in addition to the 2008 server license > they need to purchase. > > The one last question I'm not quite understanding..... these remote > users will be authenticating against the SBS when the remote in with > the 2008 server as a member server. Do I need to cover SBS cals for > them as well or are they good with the server and 15 device cals. > > -Richard > > "Larry Struckmeyer[SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer(a)mis-wizards.com> wrote in > message news:4e683515ff2e8ccc8b3a4e4e980(a)news.microsoft.com... > >> Hi Richard: >> >> The "internal users", the 15 or so that have their own desktops and >> play in the LAN are (or should be) covered by their SBS User Cals... >> so they can connect from their stations while at work or from RWW to >> their stations while out of the office. >> >> The SBS covers same version or older servers in the LAN so no Windows >> Server CALS needed. >> >> The "external users" will be authenticating against the SBS, so they >> will need SBS CALS, and, as you pointed out, TS cals. The only >> question I have is if these "external users" are unique humans >> connecting from unique computers. If there is "shift work" or such, >> where multiple users use the same computers, say, 50 Users and 25 >> Computers, then you could use 25 Device CALs. Otherwise, 50 of one >> or the other, probably User. >> >> - >> Larry >> Please post the resolution to your >> issue so others may benefit >> - >> Get Your SBS Health Check at >> www.sbsbpa.com >>> I have a business that recently purchased a new SBS2008 Std >>> solution. They asked me to look at it to get my thoughts on how it >>> was configured and how they can effectively implement a LOB solution >>> with remote users. They have about 15 users in the office and >>> another 50 remote users who need to reach the LOB solution. I am >>> thinking a good way to implement this for the remote users is with >>> Terminal Server (RDS for Server 2008/R2). >>> >>> 1. They purchased an OEM SBS2008 Std so in order to implement >>> Terminal Server they are going to need a Server 2008 license and TS >>> (RDS) Cals for each remote user. (TS solution to be put on another >>> physical box and not the SBS) Since this LOB application will be >>> accessed by all inside and remote users am I assuming correctly that >>> they will need SBS2008 Cals in addition to the TS Cals for all of >>> these remote users? >>> >>> 2. Can TS cals be concurrent user based (e.g. 50 remote users but >>> only 10 at a time using an TS session so how many cals do I need?) >>> >>> If there is anything else I need to think about and look into I >>> would greatly appreciate pointing me in the right direction. I am >>> good with the SBS but not the TS (now RDS) services and how best to >>> implement this LOB solution. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> -Richard K >>>
From: Larry Struckmeyer[SBS-MVP] on 23 May 2010 20:54
Yes... the device CAL was specifically created to allow for "shift work", where there are more users than computers. - Larry Please post the resolution to your issue so others may benefit - Get Your SBS Health Check at www.sbsbpa.com > OK, let's see if I have the numbers right > > 15 internal users (SBS2008 with 5 cals + 10 extra SBS std cals) > 50 external users hitting the TS server via 15 unique computers (1 > 2008 > Server, 15 TS device cals, 15 SBS device cals) > Do I have that right? > > Just in case.... since these 50 external users don't have an internal > computer to RWW into I will need to go the TS route for their desktops > so they can access the LOB application. I'm thinking not but if I go > the device cal route then can each of these 50 external users have a > unique SBS login/email account on the SBS/E2k7? > > Any other alternatives that I should look at? > > Thanks cliff! > > "Cliff Galiher - MVP" <cgaliher(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:#wZYCYt#KHA.5464(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > >> If you go TS then you will need SBS user CALs as well. >> >> -Cliff >> >> "Richard K" <rkokoski(a)foxdtechllc.com> wrote in message >> news:u892OTt#KHA.5476(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> >>> In this case they purchased the SBS2008 Standard and not premium so >>> they will need to purchase 2008 Server software. I agree on the >>> internal 15 users with them not needing a TS cal with the LOB >>> installed on the their desktops and they can RWW into their desktops >>> remotely. My bigger concern is the 50 external users. Yes I can >>> probably make a case where those 50 external users can be >>> consolidated into about 15 unique devices with about 3-4 users at >>> that device so I am thinking 15 ts device cals in addition to the >>> 2008 server license they need to purchase. >>> >>> The one last question I'm not quite understanding..... these remote >>> users will be authenticating against the SBS when the remote in with >>> the 2008 server as a member server. Do I need to cover SBS cals for >>> them as well or are they good with the server and 15 device cals. >>> >>> -Richard >>> >>> "Larry Struckmeyer[SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer(a)mis-wizards.com> wrote in >>> message news:4e683515ff2e8ccc8b3a4e4e980(a)news.microsoft.com... >>> >>>> Hi Richard: >>>> >>>> The "internal users", the 15 or so that have their own desktops and >>>> play in the LAN are (or should be) covered by their SBS User >>>> Cals... so they can connect from their stations while at work or >>>> from RWW to their stations while out of the office. >>>> >>>> The SBS covers same version or older servers in the LAN so no >>>> Windows Server CALS needed. >>>> >>>> The "external users" will be authenticating against the SBS, so >>>> they will need SBS CALS, and, as you pointed out, TS cals. The >>>> only question I have is if these "external users" are unique humans >>>> connecting from unique computers. If there is "shift work" or such, >>>> where multiple users use the same computers, say, 50 Users and 25 >>>> Computers, then you could use 25 Device CALs. Otherwise, 50 of one >>>> or the other, probably User. >>>> >>>> - >>>> Larry >>>> Please post the resolution to your >>>> issue so others may benefit >>>> - >>>> Get Your SBS Health Check at >>>> www.sbsbpa.com >>>>> I have a business that recently purchased a new SBS2008 Std >>>>> solution. They asked me to look at it to get my thoughts on how it >>>>> was configured and how they can effectively implement a LOB >>>>> solution with remote users. They have about 15 users in the >>>>> office and another 50 remote users who need to reach the LOB >>>>> solution. I am thinking a good way to implement this for the >>>>> remote users is with Terminal Server (RDS for Server 2008/R2). >>>>> >>>>> 1. They purchased an OEM SBS2008 Std so in order to implement >>>>> Terminal Server they are going to need a Server 2008 license and >>>>> TS (RDS) Cals for each remote user. (TS solution to be put on >>>>> another physical box and not the SBS) Since this LOB application >>>>> will be accessed by all inside and remote users am I assuming >>>>> correctly that they will need SBS2008 Cals in addition to the TS >>>>> Cals for all of these remote users? >>>>> >>>>> 2. Can TS cals be concurrent user based (e.g. 50 remote users but >>>>> only 10 at a time using an TS session so how many cals do I need?) >>>>> >>>>> If there is anything else I need to think about and look into I >>>>> would greatly appreciate pointing me in the right direction. I am >>>>> good with the SBS but not the TS (now RDS) services and how best >>>>> to implement this LOB solution. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> -Richard K >>>>> |