SBS2008 / TS (RDS) Question
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From: Richard K on 23 May 2010 17:04 I have a business that recently purchased a new SBS2008 Std solution. They asked me to look at it to get my thoughts on how it was configured and how they can effectively implement a LOB solution with remote users. They have about 15 users in the office and another 50 remote users who need to reach the LOB solution. I am thinking a good way to implement this for the remote users is with Terminal Server (RDS for Server 2008/R2). 1. They purchased an OEM SBS2008 Std so in order to implement Terminal Server they are going to need a Server 2008 license and TS (RDS) Cals for each remote user. (TS solution to be put on another physical box and not the SBS) Since this LOB application will be accessed by all inside and remote users am I assuming correctly that they will need SBS2008 Cals in addition to the TS Cals for all of these remote users? 2. Can TS cals be concurrent user based (e.g. 50 remote users but only 10 at a time using an TS session so how many cals do I need?) If there is anything else I need to think about and look into I would greatly appreciate pointing me in the right direction. I am good with the SBS but not the TS (now RDS) services and how best to implement this LOB solution. Thanks! -Richard K
From: Larry Struckmeyer[SBS-MVP] on 23 May 2010 17:22 Hi Richard: The "internal users", the 15 or so that have their own desktops and play in the LAN are (or should be) covered by their SBS User Cals... so they can connect from their stations while at work or from RWW to their stations while out of the office. The SBS covers same version or older servers in the LAN so no Windows Server CALS needed. The "external users" will be authenticating against the SBS, so they will need SBS CALS, and, as you pointed out, TS cals. The only question I have is if these "external users" are unique humans connecting from unique computers. If there is "shift work" or such, where multiple users use the same computers, say, 50 Users and 25 Computers, then you could use 25 Device CALs. Otherwise, 50 of one or the other, probably User. - Larry Please post the resolution to your issue so others may benefit - Get Your SBS Health Check at www.sbsbpa.com > I have a business that recently purchased a new SBS2008 Std solution. > They asked me to look at it to get my thoughts on how it was > configured and how they can effectively implement a LOB solution with > remote users. They have about 15 users in the office and another 50 > remote users who need to reach the LOB solution. I am thinking a good > way to implement this for the remote users is with Terminal Server > (RDS for Server 2008/R2). > > 1. They purchased an OEM SBS2008 Std so in order to implement > Terminal Server they are going to need a Server 2008 license and TS > (RDS) Cals for each remote user. (TS solution to be put on another > physical box and not the SBS) Since this LOB application will be > accessed by all inside and remote users am I assuming correctly that > they will need SBS2008 Cals in addition to the TS Cals for all of > these remote users? > > 2. Can TS cals be concurrent user based (e.g. 50 remote users but > only 10 at a time using an TS session so how many cals do I need?) > > If there is anything else I need to think about and look into I would > greatly appreciate pointing me in the right direction. I am good with > the SBS but not the TS (now RDS) services and how best to implement > this LOB solution. > > Thanks! > > -Richard K >
From: Larry Struckmeyer[SBS-MVP] on 23 May 2010 17:29 Oh, and as always, contact Microsoft for the final word on licensing. For more licensing questions, you can call 1-800-426-9400 (select option 4), Monday through Friday, 6:00 A.M. to 5:30 P.M. (PST) to speak directly to a Microsoft licensing specialist. Worldwide customers can use the Guide to Worldwide Microsoft Licensing Sites http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/index/worldwide.asp to find contact information in their locations. - Larry Please post the resolution to your issue so others may benefit - Get Your SBS Health Check at www.sbsbpa.com > Hi Richard: > > The "internal users", the 15 or so that have their own desktops and > play in the LAN are (or should be) covered by their SBS User Cals... > so they can connect from their stations while at work or from RWW to > their stations while out of the office. > > The SBS covers same version or older servers in the LAN so no Windows > Server CALS needed. > > The "external users" will be authenticating against the SBS, so they > will > need SBS CALS, and, as you pointed out, TS cals. The only question I > have > is if these "external users" are unique humans connecting from unique > computers. > If there is "shift work" or such, where multiple users use the same > computers, > say, 50 Users and 25 Computers, then you could use 25 Device CALs. > Otherwise, > 50 of one or the other, probably User. > > - > Larry > Please post the resolution to your > issue so others may benefit > - > Get Your SBS Health Check at > www.sbsbpa.com >> I have a business that recently purchased a new SBS2008 Std solution. >> They asked me to look at it to get my thoughts on how it was >> configured and how they can effectively implement a LOB solution with >> remote users. They have about 15 users in the office and another 50 >> remote users who need to reach the LOB solution. I am thinking a >> good way to implement this for the remote users is with Terminal >> Server (RDS for Server 2008/R2). >> >> 1. They purchased an OEM SBS2008 Std so in order to implement >> Terminal Server they are going to need a Server 2008 license and TS >> (RDS) Cals for each remote user. (TS solution to be put on another >> physical box and not the SBS) Since this LOB application will be >> accessed by all inside and remote users am I assuming correctly that >> they will need SBS2008 Cals in addition to the TS Cals for all of >> these remote users? >> >> 2. Can TS cals be concurrent user based (e.g. 50 remote users but >> only 10 at a time using an TS session so how many cals do I need?) >> >> If there is anything else I need to think about and look into I would >> greatly appreciate pointing me in the right direction. I am good >> with the SBS but not the TS (now RDS) services and how best to >> implement this LOB solution. >> >> Thanks! >> >> -Richard K >>
From: Cliff Galiher - MVP on 23 May 2010 19:34 Just to clarify, you won't need TS CALs for the internal users only *if* you are installing the app on each internal users' local desktop. If you choose to use RDS for both internal and remote users to simplify managements (a reasonable choice to make) then TS CALs will be required for internal and external users alike. -Cliff "Larry Struckmeyer[SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer(a)mis-wizards.com> wrote in message news:4e683515ff2e8ccc8b3a4e4e980(a)news.microsoft.com... > Hi Richard: > > The "internal users", the 15 or so that have their own desktops and play > in the LAN are (or should be) covered by their SBS User Cals... so they > can connect from their stations while at work or from RWW to their > stations while out of the office. > > The SBS covers same version or older servers in the LAN so no Windows > Server CALS needed. > > The "external users" will be authenticating against the SBS, so they will > need SBS CALS, and, as you pointed out, TS cals. The only question I have > is if these "external users" are unique humans connecting from unique > computers. If there is "shift work" or such, where multiple users use the > same computers, say, 50 Users and 25 Computers, then you could use 25 > Device CALs. Otherwise, 50 of one or the other, probably User. > > - > Larry > Please post the resolution to your > issue so others may benefit > - > Get Your SBS Health Check at > www.sbsbpa.com > > >> I have a business that recently purchased a new SBS2008 Std solution. >> They asked me to look at it to get my thoughts on how it was >> configured and how they can effectively implement a LOB solution with >> remote users. They have about 15 users in the office and another 50 >> remote users who need to reach the LOB solution. I am thinking a good >> way to implement this for the remote users is with Terminal Server >> (RDS for Server 2008/R2). >> >> 1. They purchased an OEM SBS2008 Std so in order to implement >> Terminal Server they are going to need a Server 2008 license and TS >> (RDS) Cals for each remote user. (TS solution to be put on another >> physical box and not the SBS) Since this LOB application will be >> accessed by all inside and remote users am I assuming correctly that >> they will need SBS2008 Cals in addition to the TS Cals for all of >> these remote users? >> >> 2. Can TS cals be concurrent user based (e.g. 50 remote users but >> only 10 at a time using an TS session so how many cals do I need?) >> >> If there is anything else I need to think about and look into I would >> greatly appreciate pointing me in the right direction. I am good with >> the SBS but not the TS (now RDS) services and how best to implement >> this LOB solution. >> >> Thanks! >> >> -Richard K >> > >
From: Charlie Russel - MVP on 23 May 2010 19:53
First, a strong recommendation to choose Server 2008 R2 for your Terminal Server. (New name is Remote Desktop Session Host.) RDS is just better in 2008 R2, and the licensing is slightly more flexible if you have to move licensing servers. Plus with R2 you'll get the new features coming in the Service Pack. You must have a separate license for each user or device that connects to the terminal server. They need both a Server license and a TS CAL (RDS CAL for 2008 R2, but they are interchangeable with 2008 CALs.) If they share devices, then get device CALs. Otherwise, User CALs are easier. But each discreet user needs their own CALs. There is no concurrent licensing here, I'm afraid. -- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel "Richard K" <rkokoski(a)foxdtechllc.com> wrote in message news:uQZ9Hur%23KHA.3972(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >I have a business that recently purchased a new SBS2008 Std solution. They >asked me to look at it to get my thoughts on how it was configured and how >they can effectively implement a LOB solution with remote users. They have >about 15 users in the office and another 50 remote users who need to reach >the LOB solution. I am thinking a good way to implement this for the >remote users is with Terminal Server (RDS for Server 2008/R2). > > 1. They purchased an OEM SBS2008 Std so in order to implement Terminal > Server they are going to need a Server 2008 license and TS (RDS) Cals for > each remote user. (TS solution to be put on another physical box and not > the SBS) Since this LOB application will be accessed by all inside and > remote users am I assuming correctly that they will need SBS2008 Cals in > addition to the TS Cals for all of these remote users? > > 2. Can TS cals be concurrent user based (e.g. 50 remote users but only 10 > at a time using an TS session so how many cals do I need?) > > If there is anything else I need to think about and look into I would > greatly appreciate pointing me in the right direction. I am good with the > SBS but not the TS (now RDS) services and how best to implement this LOB > solution. > > Thanks! > > -Richard K > > |