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From: Sam Wormley on 26 Jul 2010 17:10 On 7/26/10 1:40 PM, kenseto wrote: > The aether can be detected with the following proposed experiments. > Also new interpretations for past experiments that detected absolute > motion are included in this paper. > http://www.modelmechanics.org/2008experiment.pdf > > Ken Seto > You pdf starts out: > The Current State of Our Universe > A new model of our Universe, called Model Mechanics has been formulated. Model Mechanics > supposes that a stationary substance, called the „E-Matrix‟, occupies all of pure-space (void) in > our Universe. Subsequently, we perceive the E-Matrix as space. The E-Matrix, in turn, is > composed of „E-Strings‟, which are very thin three-dimensional elastic objects, of diameter > estimated at 10^-33 cm. The length of an E-String is not defined. Away from matter, the E-Strings > are oriented randomly in all directions. This means that a slice of the E-Matrix in any direction > will look the same. Near matter, the E-Strings are more organized: some emanate from the > matter, and the number of these passing through a unit area followed the well-known inverse > square law of physics. The E-Strings repel each other. This means that there is an unknown > outside force that compacts them together. The repulsive force and the compacting force are in > equilibrium. This state of the E-Matrix allows massive matter particles to move freely within it. > The motion of a matter particle or particle system in the E-Matrix is called „absolute motion‟. > The absolute motion of matter in the E-Matrix will distort the local E-Strings. The E-Strings will > recover to the non-distorted state after the passage of the matter particles. Light consists of wavepackets > (photons) in neighboring E-Strings. On its way toward its target, a wave-packet will > follow the geometry of these neighboring E-Strings. This description of light embodies „duality‟, > i.e. light possessing properties of a mass-bearing particle as well as a wave-packet in the EMatrix. Sounds like rubbish. E-strings and all the properties you assign to them is reminiscent of the "luminiferous ether" which was shown not to exist in the 1800s, and that Einstein showed was totally unnecessary in 1905.
From: mpc755 on 26 Jul 2010 18:58 On Jul 26, 3:23 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 24, 11:30 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 24, 10:56 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 24, 9:50 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 24, 10:19 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 24, 9:09 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > > > > > > > There is a physical reason why clocks in relative motion are running > > > > > > at different rates. SR failed to provide that reason. > > > > > > I just told you the physical reason. > > > > > I gather that you still don't understand the reason. > > > > > In such events, your proper response would be, "I still don't > > > > > understand the reason. How does the hyperbolic geometry of spacetime > > > > > cause relatively moving clocks to have different rates?" And they we > > > > > could discuss the reason in more detail. > > > > > 'Hyperbolic geometry'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbolic_geometry > > > > > "In mathematics, hyperbolic geometry (also called Lobachevskian > > > > geometry or Bolyai-Lobachevskian geometry) is a non-Euclidean > > > > geometry, meaning that the parallel postulate of Euclidean geometry is > > > > replaced." > > > > > 'Mathematics'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics > > > > > 'Albert Einstein, on the other hand, stated that "as far as the laws > > > > of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as > > > > they are certain, they do not refer to reality."' > > > > > 'Hyperbolic geometry' is not a physical description of what occurs > > > > physically in nature to cause atomic clocks to tick at different > > > > rates. > > > > Of course it is. What makes you think it is not a physical > > > description? > > > You are unable to understand Albert Einstein. > > > 'Mathematics'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics > > > 'Albert Einstein, on the other hand, stated that "as far as the laws > > of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as > > they are certain, they do not refer to reality."' > > Fascinating. So Einstein, who said that the hyperbolic geometry of > spacetime is what causes atomic clocks to run at different rates, also > said (according to you) that it is NOT what causes atomic clocks to > run at different rates. > > And you got this because geometry sounds like mathematics to you, and > you found a wikipedia link with a sentence that seems to support that, > and you think that mathematics has nothing to do with reality, and you > found a wikipedia link for an Einstein quote that seems to support > that. And so in two quick steps, you found a way to interpret Einstein > as saying exactly the opposite of what he in fact said. > > Lovely. > > PD You are unable to understand Albert Einstein. 'Geometry and Experience (1922) by Albert Einstein' http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Geometry_and_Experience "As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality." By reality, Einstein was referring to what occurs physically in nature. "The idea of the measuring-rod and the idea of the clock co-ordinated with it in the theory of relativity do not find their exact correspondence in the real world." The measuring-rod and the idea of the clock co-ordinated with in the the theory of Dark Matter Displacement do find their exact correspondence in the real world. The measuring-rod and the clock both consist of compressed dark matter. "It is also clear that the solid body and the clock do not in the conceptual edifice of physics play the part of irreducible elements, but that of composite structures, which may not play any independent part in theoretical physics. But it is my conviction that in the present stage of development of theoretical physics these ideas must still be employed as independent ideas; for we are still far from possessing such certain knowledge of theoretical principles as to be able to give exact theoretical constructions of solid bodies and clocks." The solid body and the clock do not in the conceptual edifice of physics play the part of irreducible elements because they are both constructed from compressed dark matter. We are no longer far from possessing such certain knowledge of theoretical principles as to be able to give exact theoretical constructions of solid bodies and clocks. Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material. Matter is compressed dark matter and dark matter is uncompressed matter. The rate at which an atomic clock 'ticks' is based upon the aether pressure in which it exists. In terms of motion, the speed of a GPS satellite with respect to the aether causes it to displace more aether and for that aether to exert more pressure on the clock in the GPS satellite than the aether pressure associated with a clock at rest with respect to the Earth. This causes the GPS satellite clock to "result in a delay of about 7 ìs/day". The aether pressure associated with the aether displaced by the Earth exerts less pressure on the GPS satellite than a similar clock at rest on the Earth "causing the GPS clocks to appear faster by about 45 ìs/day". The aether pressure associated with the speed at which the GPS satellite moves with respect to the aether and the aether pressure associated with the aether displaced by the Earth causes "clocks on the GPS satellites [to] tick approximately 38 ìs/day faster than clocks on the ground." (quoted text from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_relativity_on_GPS). The state of the aether is determined by its connections with the matter which is the Earth. This means the aether is less connected to the Earth where the airplanes fly in the 'Hafele and Keating Experiment' than it is to the surface of the Earth. The aether is displaced by the Earth. Aether is not at rest when displaced and returns to its previous state after interacting with the Earth. This causes the aether to have the affect of 'flowing' east to west with respect to the surface of the Earth. http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/Relativ/airtim.html "Relative to the atomic time scale of the U.S. Naval Observatory, the flying clocks lost 59+/-10 nanoseconds during the eastward trip and gained 273+/-7 nanosecond during the westward trip, where the errors are the corresponding standard deviations." Flying with the Earth's rotation, eastward, is flying against the 'flow' of aether, relative to the surface of the Earth, causing a greater aether pressure on the atomic clock causing the atomic clock to tick slower. Flying against the Earth's rotation, westward, is flying with the 'flow' of aether, relative to the surface of the Earth, causing a lower aether pressure on the atomic clock causing the atomic clock to tick faster. The experiments are evidence of Aether Displacement. Why can't you answer any of the following? Why doesn't conservation of momentum apply to downgraded photon pairs? If it did then it would be understood the downgraded photon pair maintain the original photon's momentum which requires the downgraded photon pair to have opposite angular momentums and to always be detected with opposite spins which means there is no need for the absurd nonsense of instantaneous action at a distance. 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter' http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water." Does the ripple eventually reach the Earth? If not then were does the dark matter end and is where the dark matter ends the beginning of a void and if not a void then what are the properties space has where there is no dark matter and how do these properties distinguish this region of space from dark matter? If so then that is evidence dark matter exists from the point of the galaxy cluster collision to the Earth. Dark matter exists between the Earth and the galaxy cluster collision. The ripple will reach the Earth. The ripple propagates through the dark matter which exists between the Earth and the galaxy cluster collision. Dark matter is the medium in which the ripple propagates. Dark matter is the medium in which light waves propagate. The ripple is a gravity wave. The ripple is displaced dark matter. Explain what occurs physically in nature to cause spacetime to curve but not move. Explain what occurs physically in nature which allows a C-60 molecule to enter, travel through, and exit multiple slits simultaneously without losing momentum. Explain what occurs physically in nature when mass converts to energy. Explain what occurs physically in nature which allows the future to determine the past. Explain what occurs physically in nature to cause gravity. Dark Matter Displacement explains what occurs physically in nature in all of the above. Dark matter is displaced by matter. Dark matter is not at rest when displaced. Displaced dark matter exerts pressure towards the matter. A moving particle has an associated dark matter displacement wave. Physical effects caused by matter converting to dark matter is energy. Mass is conserved. The future does not determine the past in the physics of nature. Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.
From: mpc755 on 26 Jul 2010 19:10 On Jul 26, 5:10 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 7/26/10 1:40 PM, kenseto wrote: > > > The aether can be detected with the following proposed experiments. > > Also new interpretations for past experiments that detected absolute > > motion are included in this paper. > >http://www.modelmechanics.org/2008experiment.pdf > > > Ken Seto > > You pdf starts out: > > > > > The Current State of Our Universe > > A new model of our Universe, called Model Mechanics has been formulated. Model Mechanics > > supposes that a stationary substance, called the "E-Matrix", occupies all of pure-space (void) in > > our Universe. Subsequently, we perceive the E-Matrix as space. The E-Matrix, in turn, is > > composed of "E-Strings", which are very thin three-dimensional elastic objects, of diameter > > estimated at 10^-33 cm. The length of an E-String is not defined. Away from matter, the E-Strings > > are oriented randomly in all directions. This means that a slice of the E-Matrix in any direction > > will look the same. Near matter, the E-Strings are more organized: some emanate from the > > matter, and the number of these passing through a unit area followed the well-known inverse > > square law of physics. The E-Strings repel each other. This means that there is an unknown > > outside force that compacts them together. The repulsive force and the compacting force are in > > equilibrium. This state of the E-Matrix allows massive matter particles to move freely within it. > > The motion of a matter particle or particle system in the E-Matrix is called "absolute motion". > > The absolute motion of matter in the E-Matrix will distort the local E-Strings. The E-Strings will > > recover to the non-distorted state after the passage of the matter particles. Light consists of wavepackets > > (photons) in neighboring E-Strings. On its way toward its target, a wave-packet will > > follow the geometry of these neighboring E-Strings. This description of light embodies "duality", > > i.e. light possessing properties of a mass-bearing particle as well as a wave-packet in the EMatrix. > > Sounds like rubbish. E-strings and all the properties you assign to > them is reminiscent of the "luminiferous ether" which was shown not > to exist in the 1800s, and that Einstein showed was totally > unnecessary in 1905. Unnecessary? Einstein says GR without ether is unthinkable. Unthinkable is the opposite of unnecessary. 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein' http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html "According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable" Space without dark matter is unthinkable. "the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places". The state of the dark matter as determined by its connections with the matter and the state of the dark matter in neighboring places is the dark matter's state of displacement.
From: G. L. Bradford on 27 Jul 2010 04:53 ===================== The way I see it: You have the distance to the [orbital] plane of the satellite. Then you have the probable real distance to the [orbiting] satellite through a velocity curve. Because of velocity curvature the real satellite is more distant from ground stations than the measured distance to the orbit it is in, and the orbit it is doing. The actual difference in distances being the distance to the orbital plane the satellite is in, including observed positions and velocities of that satellite in that orbital plane, versus the real distance to the speeding real satellite itself through and because of an increased curvature, a ballooned curvature (resulting in an unobserved, and unobservable, greater actual orbiting distance -- as if you'd bent the curvature straight -- from ground than the orbit measured and given for it), WILL be measured as an increase in difference in the observed timing of the two clocks. ("Observed": Having to do with the "observable universe.") ("Unobserved": Having to do with the unobservable universe FORWARD in space and time of the "observable universe.") GLB =====================
From: PD on 27 Jul 2010 10:15
On Jul 26, 5:58 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 26, 3:23 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 24, 11:30 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 24, 10:56 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 24, 9:50 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 24, 10:19 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 24, 9:09 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > There is a physical reason why clocks in relative motion are running > > > > > > > at different rates. SR failed to provide that reason. > > > > > > > I just told you the physical reason. > > > > > > I gather that you still don't understand the reason. > > > > > > In such events, your proper response would be, "I still don't > > > > > > understand the reason. How does the hyperbolic geometry of spacetime > > > > > > cause relatively moving clocks to have different rates?" And they we > > > > > > could discuss the reason in more detail. > > > > > > 'Hyperbolic geometry'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbolic_geometry > > > > > > "In mathematics, hyperbolic geometry (also called Lobachevskian > > > > > geometry or Bolyai-Lobachevskian geometry) is a non-Euclidean > > > > > geometry, meaning that the parallel postulate of Euclidean geometry is > > > > > replaced." > > > > > > 'Mathematics'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics > > > > > > 'Albert Einstein, on the other hand, stated that "as far as the laws > > > > > of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as > > > > > they are certain, they do not refer to reality."' > > > > > > 'Hyperbolic geometry' is not a physical description of what occurs > > > > > physically in nature to cause atomic clocks to tick at different > > > > > rates. > > > > > Of course it is. What makes you think it is not a physical > > > > description? > > > > You are unable to understand Albert Einstein. > > > > 'Mathematics'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics > > > > 'Albert Einstein, on the other hand, stated that "as far as the laws > > > of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as > > > they are certain, they do not refer to reality."' > > > Fascinating. So Einstein, who said that the hyperbolic geometry of > > spacetime is what causes atomic clocks to run at different rates, also > > said (according to you) that it is NOT what causes atomic clocks to > > run at different rates. > > > And you got this because geometry sounds like mathematics to you, and > > you found a wikipedia link with a sentence that seems to support that, > > and you think that mathematics has nothing to do with reality, and you > > found a wikipedia link for an Einstein quote that seems to support > > that. And so in two quick steps, you found a way to interpret Einstein > > as saying exactly the opposite of what he in fact said. > > > Lovely. > > > PD > > You are unable to understand Albert Einstein. > You have this charming tendency to want to prove certain statements that no one else believes. You might, for example, want to claim that 2+3=19. You will do this by finding a link on Wikipedia that the number "19" can have different representations in different number bases. You will find another link that says that "+" is an algebraic operator. You will find a quote by Feynman that says that "operators can mean anything you want them to mean." And then you will stitch these together to try to give the appearance that Feynman said that 2+3=19, when he said no such thing. Then when somebody says you're not only an idiot, but an emotionally unbalanced idiot, you will say that he doesn't understand what Feynman said, and repeat your silly string of lunacies. Have fun, Mike Cavedon. Sure beats working for a living, eh? |