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From: mpc755 on 24 Jul 2010 12:30 On Jul 24, 10:56 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 24, 9:50 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 24, 10:19 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 24, 9:09 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > > > > > There is a physical reason why clocks in relative motion are running > > > > at different rates. SR failed to provide that reason. > > > > I just told you the physical reason. > > > I gather that you still don't understand the reason. > > > In such events, your proper response would be, "I still don't > > > understand the reason. How does the hyperbolic geometry of spacetime > > > cause relatively moving clocks to have different rates?" And they we > > > could discuss the reason in more detail. > > > 'Hyperbolic geometry'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbolic_geometry > > > "In mathematics, hyperbolic geometry (also called Lobachevskian > > geometry or Bolyai-Lobachevskian geometry) is a non-Euclidean > > geometry, meaning that the parallel postulate of Euclidean geometry is > > replaced." > > > 'Mathematics'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics > > > 'Albert Einstein, on the other hand, stated that "as far as the laws > > of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as > > they are certain, they do not refer to reality."' > > > 'Hyperbolic geometry' is not a physical description of what occurs > > physically in nature to cause atomic clocks to tick at different > > rates. > > Of course it is. What makes you think it is not a physical > description? You are unable to understand Albert Einstein. 'Mathematics' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics 'Albert Einstein, on the other hand, stated that "as far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality."' By reality, Einstein was describing what occurs physically in nature. 'Hyperbolic geometry' is not a physical description of what occurs physically in nature to cause atomic clocks to tick at different rates. The rate at which an atomic clock 'ticks' is based upon the aether pressure in which it exists. In terms of motion, the speed of a GPS satellite with respect to the aether causes it to displace more aether and for that aether to exert more pressure on the clock in the GPS satellite than the aether pressure associated with a clock at rest with respect to the Earth. This causes the GPS satellite clock to "result in a delay of about 7 ìs/day". The aether pressure associated with the aether displaced by the Earth exerts less pressure on the GPS satellite than a similar clock at rest on the Earth "causing the GPS clocks to appear faster by about 45 ìs/day". The aether pressure associated with the speed at which the GPS satellite moves with respect to the aether and the aether pressure associated with the aether displaced by the Earth causes "clocks on the GPS satellites [to] tick approximately 38 ìs/day faster than clocks on the ground." (quoted text from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_relativity_on_GPS). The state of the aether is determined by its connections with the matter which is the Earth. This means the aether is less connected to the Earth where the airplanes fly in the 'Hafele and Keating Experiment' than it is to the surface of the Earth. The aether is displaced by the Earth. Aether is not at rest when displaced and returns to its previous state after interacting with the Earth. This causes the aether to have the affect of 'flowing' east to west with respect to the surface of the Earth. http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/Relativ/airtim.html "Relative to the atomic time scale of the U.S. Naval Observatory, the flying clocks lost 59+/-10 nanoseconds during the eastward trip and gained 273+/-7 nanosecond during the westward trip, where the errors are the corresponding standard deviations." Flying with the Earth's rotation, eastward, is flying against the 'flow' of aether, relative to the surface of the Earth, causing a greater aether pressure on the atomic clock causing the atomic clock to tick slower. Flying against the Earth's rotation, westward, is flying with the 'flow' of aether, relative to the surface of the Earth, causing a lower aether pressure on the atomic clock causing the atomic clock to tick faster. The experiments are evidence of Aether Displacement. Why can't you answer any of the following? Why doesn't conservation of momentum apply to downgraded photon pairs? If it did then it would be understood the downgraded photon pair maintain the original photon's momentum which requires the downgraded photon pair to have opposite angular momentums and to always be detected with opposite spins which means there is no need for the absurd nonsense of instantaneous action at a distance. 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter' http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water." Does the ripple eventually reach the Earth? If not then were does the dark matter end and is where the dark matter ends the beginning of a void and if not a void then what are the properties space has where there is no dark matter and how do these properties distinguish this region of space from dark matter? If so then that is evidence dark matter exists from the point of the galaxy cluster collision to the Earth. Dark matter exists between the Earth and the galaxy cluster collision. The ripple will reach the Earth. The ripple propagates through the dark matter which exists between the Earth and the galaxy cluster collision. Dark matter is the medium in which the ripple propagates. Dark matter is the medium in which light waves propagate. The ripple is a gravity wave. The ripple is displaced dark matter. Explain what occurs physically in nature to cause spacetime to curve but not move. Explain what occurs physically in nature which allows a C-60 molecule to enter, travel through, and exit multiple slits simultaneously without losing momentum. Explain what occurs physically in nature when mass converts to energy. Explain what occurs physically in nature which allows the future to determine the past. Explain what occurs physically in nature to cause gravity. Dark Matter Displacement explains what occurs physically in nature in all of the above. Dark matter is displaced by matter. Dark matter is not at rest when displaced. Displaced dark matter exerts pressure towards the matter. A moving particle has an associated dark matter displacement wave. Physical effects caused by matter converting to dark matter is energy. Mass is conserved. The future does not determine the past in the physics of nature. Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.
From: Sam Wormley on 24 Jul 2010 15:05 On 7/24/10 8:52 AM, kenseto wrote: > On Jul 23, 10:45 am, Sam Wormley<sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On 7/23/10 9:22 AM, kenseto wrote: >> >>> No....it is not true for every clock in inertial motion. No inertial >>> clock can claim that every clock in the universe is running slow. The >>> best it can claim is that an observed clcok can run slow OR fast. The >>> fastest running clock is the preferred clock. When an SR observer >>> claims that all the clocks moving wrt him are running slow, he is >>> claiming the exclusive properties of the preferred frame. >> >> Why is it so hard for you to understand, given that we are not >> considering gravitation and accelerations, that an observer will >> measure time dilation in clocks moving with respect to the observer? > > No such measurement is made...SR predicts. Of course, time dilation measurement are made in supernovae explosions, in cosmic ray muons, etc. Do you not read the literature? Physics FAQ: What is the experimental basis of Special Relativity? http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html General relativity accurately predicts that faster running clock in the Pound�Rebka experiment. SR is the wrong tool because of the differential gravitational potential. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound-Rebka_experiment Don't you read the literature, Seto? The problem with this SR > prediction is that it is incomplete. It failed to include the > possibility that an observed clock can run faster than the observer's > clcok. > >> Why is that Seto? >> >> Special relativity predicts the affect and experiment an observation >> confirm! >
From: whoever on 25 Jul 2010 08:54 "kenseto" wrote in message news:428379ac-94db-4dde-9c64-eccc2d41d1d7(a)i28g2000yqa.googlegroups.com... >On Jul 23, 10:38 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: >> "kenseto" wrote in message >> >> news:1c42fdbc-12d4-4e76-abab-4922e3111f1e(a)e5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... >> >> >No....it is not true for every clock in inertial motion. No inertial >> >clock can claim that every clock in the universe is running slow. >> >> They don't. But the observers at rest in some inertial frame will >> MEASURE >> every moving clock as slow > >No they don't measure every clock as running slow. You fail .. They do. Next please --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news(a)netfront.net ---
From: kenseto on 25 Jul 2010 09:12 On Jul 25, 8:54 am, "whoever" <whoe...(a)whereever.com> wrote: > "kenseto" wrote in message > > news:428379ac-94db-4dde-9c64-eccc2d41d1d7(a)i28g2000yqa.googlegroups.com... > > >On Jul 23, 10:38 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > >> "kenseto" wrote in message > > >>news:1c42fdbc-12d4-4e76-abab-4922e3111f1e(a)e5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com.... > > >> >No....it is not true for every clock in inertial motion. No inertial > >> >clock can claim that every clock in the universe is running slow. > > >> They don't. But the observers at rest in some inertial frame will > >> MEASURE > >> every moving clock as slow > > >No they don't measure every clock as running slow. > > You fail .. They do. Next please No idiot they don't....they predict.
From: kenseto on 25 Jul 2010 09:34
On Jul 24, 3:05 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 7/24/10 8:52 AM, kenseto wrote: > > > On Jul 23, 10:45 am, Sam Wormley<sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 7/23/10 9:22 AM, kenseto wrote: > > >>> No....it is not true for every clock in inertial motion. No inertial > >>> clock can claim that every clock in the universe is running slow. The > >>> best it can claim is that an observed clcok can run slow OR fast. The > >>> fastest running clock is the preferred clock. When an SR observer > >>> claims that all the clocks moving wrt him are running slow, he is > >>> claiming the exclusive properties of the preferred frame. > > >> Why is it so hard for you to understand, given that we are not > >> considering gravitation and accelerations, that an observer will > >> measure time dilation in clocks moving with respect to the observer? > > > No such measurement is made...SR predicts. > > Of course, time dilation measurement are made in supernovae > explosions, in cosmic ray muons, etc. Do you not read the > literature? There is no absolute time dilation....a muon clock second is worth gamma*second on the earth clock. That's all. > > Physics FAQ: What is the experimental basis of Special Relativity? > http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html > > General relativity accurately predicts that faster running clock > in the PoundRebka experiment. SR is the wrong tool because of the > differential gravitational potential. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound-Rebka_experiment > > Don't you read the literature, Seto? > > The problem with this SR > > > > > prediction is that it is incomplete. It failed to include the > > possibility that an observed clock can run faster than the observer's > > clcok. > > >> Why is that Seto? > > >> Special relativity predicts the affect and experiment an observation > >> confirm!- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - |