Sagnac Revisited. Why Paul, Tom and Jerry are Hopelessly Wrong.
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From: eric gisse on 5 Apr 2010 18:56 ...@..(Henry Wilson DSc) wrote: [...] > This ballistic model, which is fully backed by experiment, provides a > wealth of information about the true nature of light. Really, all experiments? Or just the few that you accept? > > > Henry Wilson... > > .......A person's IQ = his snipping ability.
From: Henry Wilson DSc on 6 Apr 2010 00:46 On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 15:56:09 -0700, eric gisse <jowr.pi.nospam(a)gmail.com> wrote: >..@..(Henry Wilson DSc) wrote: > >[...] > >> This ballistic model, which is fully backed by experiment, provides a >> wealth of information about the true nature of light. > >Really, all experiments? Or just the few that you accept? When are you going to say something intelligent? Henry Wilson... ........A person's IQ = his snipping ability.
From: Paul B. Andersen on 6 Apr 2010 16:18 On 05.04.2010 23:53, Henry Wilson DSc wrote: > On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 20:33:53 +0200, "Paul B. Andersen"<someone(a)somewhere.no> > wrote: > >> On 29.03.2010 23:47, Henry Wilson DSc wrote: >>> >>> But ring laser gyros are quite amazing. >> >> Indeed. >> And they falsifies Ritz emission theory. >> >> It is quite obvious that the speed of light in >> a ring laser is c in the non-rotating frame, >> that's why the standing wave doesn't rotate with >> the ring. But the sources are moving with the ring. > > Photons are not simple oscillators. In the nonR frame, the path lengths of the > two rays are different and therefore contain different numbers of > 'wavelengths'. Where does the stationary standing wave in a ring laser start and end, Ralph? :-) How can a stationary (in the non rotating frame) standing wave have different number of wavelengths in the two rays, Ralph? And since the standing wave is stationary in the non rotating frame, the speed of light in the non rotating frame has to be the same in both directions, doesn't it? -- Paul http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/
From: Henry Wilson DSc on 6 Apr 2010 17:22 On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 22:18:21 +0200, "Paul B. Andersen" <someone(a)somewhere.no> wrote: >On 05.04.2010 23:53, Henry Wilson DSc wrote: >> On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 20:33:53 +0200, "Paul B. Andersen"<someone(a)somewhere.no> >> wrote: >> >>> It is quite obvious that the speed of light in >>> a ring laser is c in the non-rotating frame, >>> that's why the standing wave doesn't rotate with >>> the ring. But the sources are moving with the ring. >> >> Photons are not simple oscillators. In the nonR frame, the path lengths of the >> two rays are different and therefore contain different numbers of >> 'wavelengths'. > >Where does the stationary standing wave in a ring laser >start and end, Henry? :-) > >How can a stationary (in the non rotating frame) standing wave >have different number of wavelengths in the two rays, Ralph? It isn't stationary. It moves at v. Each photon has its own 'pair of waves' >And since the standing wave is stationary in the non rotating frame, >the speed of light in the non rotating frame has to be the same >in both directions, doesn't it? Look, I know this is difficult, particularly for somebody who does not want to learn. When a 'photon' splits at the 45 mirror, one half will travel a distance of N+n wavelengths before it reaches the detector, the other will travel N-n wavelengths. Thus, even though both halves arrive simultaneously, they are 'out of phase' when they reunite. I'm sure you're bright enough to construct a model of light that fits this behavior. Ask one of your students.... Henry Wilson... ........A person's IQ = his snipping ability.
From: Paul B. Andersen on 8 Apr 2010 09:10
On 06.04.2010 23:22, Henry Wilson DSc wrote: > On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 22:18:21 +0200, "Paul B. Andersen"<someone(a)somewhere.no> > wrote: > >> On 05.04.2010 23:53, Henry Wilson DSc wrote: >>> On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 20:33:53 +0200, "Paul B. Andersen"<someone(a)somewhere.no> >>> wrote: >>> > >>>> It is quite obvious that the speed of light in >>>> a ring laser is c in the non-rotating frame, >>>> that's why the standing wave doesn't rotate with >>>> the ring. But the sources are moving with the ring. >>> >>> Photons are not simple oscillators. In the nonR frame, the path lengths of the >>> two rays are different and therefore contain different numbers of >>> 'wavelengths'. >> >> Where does the stationary standing wave in a ring laser >> start and end, Henry? :-) >> >> How can a stationary (in the non rotating frame) standing wave >> have different number of wavelengths in the two rays, Ralph? > > It isn't stationary. It moves at v. Each photon has its own 'pair of waves' > >> And since the standing wave is stationary in the non rotating frame, >> the speed of light in the non rotating frame has to be the same >> in both directions, doesn't it? > > Look, I know this is difficult, particularly for somebody who does not want to > learn. > When a 'photon' splits at the 45 mirror, one half will travel a distance of N+n > wavelengths before it reaches the detector, the other will travel N-n > wavelengths. Thus, even though both halves arrive simultaneously, they are 'out > of phase' when they reunite. > > I'm sure you're bright enough to construct a model of light that fits this > behavior. Ask one of your students.... > > Henry Wilson... > > .......A person's IQ = his snipping ability. I think you should look up what a ring laser is. It's not a Sagnac interferometer. -- Paul http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/ |