San Fransicko, Californica, pontificates with boycotts
in [Design]
|
Prev: Barcode Symbologies
Next: sing-a-long
From: Jim Thompson on 25 May 2010 21:19 On Tue, 25 May 2010 20:00:15 -0500, flipper <flipper(a)fish.net> wrote: >On Tue, 25 May 2010 15:02:42 -0700, Jim Thompson ><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: > [snip] > >>If blow-hard Holder and crew try to stop AZ I suspect it'll simply >>result in a lot of dead Mexicans. And nobody will know nuttin' ;-) > >That's not funny. > >It might be one way of getting Federal troops down there but they'd be >coming after you and not the alleged 'illegals'. > Do you think ranchers in southern Arizona are going to stand by, defenseless, because our nebbish President will do nothing? We're already down one rancher killed this Spring. In the wild west (and it still is, you have no clue as to how low populated the southern Arizona region is), things have a way of happening sans witnesses. I vote for catapulting the bodies back over the border ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | The only thing bipartisan in this country is hypocrisy
From: John Doe on 26 May 2010 07:59 flipper <flipper fish.net> wrote: > Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLever InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote: >> flipper <flipper fish.net> wrote: >> >>> for the purpose of enforcing federal immigration law, >> >> Does not apply, because that is not what AZ folks are doing. In >> fact, AZ's detainees get turned over to them, so it is now, and >> always has been the fed boys that perform the actual >> deportation segment of "enforcement". Nothing has changed. > > Lots of things have changed but one that hasn't is your > inability to quote even a whole sentence, much less context. > > Always Wrong hasn't changed either. Flippant acts civilized but then becomes a troll when someone provides a valid counter argument. Arizona is not making immigration law, Arizona is not deporting anyone, they are just handing those, THEY HAVE STOPPED FOR SOME OTHER LEGITIMATE REASON FIRST and they now believe to be illegal aliens, over to the feds. Our federal government has a responsibility/duty to prosecute illegal aliens and should be sued for not doing so. California leaders make fun of Arizona for trying to protect our civilization while their state drowns in debt. Californians employ cheap illegal immigrant workers and buy slave-labor-made Chinese products and still cannot pay for their lifestyle. And then they pretend to be compassionate. Like Will Rogers said "I can remember way back when a liberal was one who was generous with his own money." Thank heaven Arnold's Schwarzenegger cannot become president, otherwise we would have the worst of both parties. I think the 80% of Americans who agree with Arizona should just boycott California produce. Arizona should stop providing power for Los Angeles and stop disposing of their garbage. Besides being a deadbeat state, California would then be without lights and drowning in its own garbage. -- > Path: news.astraweb.com!border2.newsrouter.astraweb.com!news-out.readnews.com!transit3.readnews.com!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!216.196.98.148.MISMATCH!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail > NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 23:54:17 -0500 > From: flipper <flipper fish.net> > Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design,alt.binaries.schematics.electronic,sci.electronics.cad > Subject: Re: San Fransicko, Californica, pontificates with boycotts > Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 23:51:00 -0500 > Message-ID: <au9pv5hhcnjtg4c3lv2edcknoa5io36ev5 4ax.com> > References: <5ci8u59pvjah0frgk0eafp5hqjohdhpf1o 4ax.com> <e1blv5th0jfc8813mvlnjcr3i3dpu7lkek 4ax.com> <5b0mv5915rhmg43817q7uif3di1ukgf55j 4ax.com> <plrov59kd96uj8004h6iml9scm5d0bg4lt 4ax.com> > X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 3.2/32.830 > X-No-Archive: yes > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100525-1, 05/25/2010), Outbound message > X-Antivirus-Status: Clean > Lines: 30 > X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com > NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.230.238.182 > X-Trace: sv3-hjyjWN32TFjDsu77MAPeEDLafOtSEtnAOoMiTO6yJKtAgE/Z26vPqYh7mI/F1jYUbX9zG0hc3fePNrU!s31qTZ8/D7VMWx5h8QojMaG2noRUhWrbCOX+6Vypb/rN+/PLDtCyON/maWfG7yi50uA5G8G7cQA7!9bAYfeU2kUL2HKx7zXHquOEAw1gLnMT+ > X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers > X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly > X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 > Bytes: 2249 >
From: John Doe on 26 May 2010 08:50 flipper <flipper fish.net> wrote: > The core power is neither 'implied' nor 'interpreted' but is > explicit in Article I section 8: The Congress shall have > Power... To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization. United States English uses "a" instead of "an" in that sentence, Flippant. -- No archive troll. > Now, you might argue the rest is 'implied' but it's structurally > inherent. I.E. States and their Courts, including Arizona, don't get > to 'interpret', administer, adjudicate, or enforce Federal Law (unless > 'ordered' to) so why would you think "Rule of Naturalization" is any > different? > > Now, flipping again to the other side, what Arizona might argue is a > 'dual sovereignty case and there are precedents. For example, there > can be both State and Federal laws for 'the same crime', such as > murdering a Federal officer in the State.The offender has broken both > State and Federal homicide laws so if the Fed 'failed their duty' the > State can prosecute. > > However, the problem I see in applying that principle is those cases > do not involve an explicit Constitutional grant of power, like Article > I section 8, and, except for jurisdictional priority, you don't > generally have the State and Fed in a direct conflict that would > invoke the Supremacy Clause. > > Look, I'm not arguing the Fed is 'doing the right thing' but the > remedy appears to be Federal, not State. > > Granted, given the current crop of loony tunes up there that's a > serious obstacle but the Constitution doesn't make 'exceptions' for > having elected loony tunes to office. Maybe we should propose an > Amendment. > > Of course, that's not to say the Court won't simply 'invent' their own > 'principle' like they've done before but I'm no good at predicting > those because there's no text to read beforehand. > >>If blow-hard Holder and crew try to stop AZ I suspect it'll simply >>result in a lot of dead Mexicans. And nobody will know nuttin' ;-) > > That's not funny. > > It might be one way of getting Federal troops down there but they'd be > coming after you and not the alleged 'illegals'. > >> ...Jim Thompson > > Path: news.astraweb.com!border5.newsrouter.astraweb.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail > NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 20:03:33 -0500 > From: flipper <flipper fish.net> > Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design,alt.binaries.schematics.electronic,sci.electronics.cad > Subject: Re: San Fransicko, Californica, pontificates with boycotts > Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 20:00:15 -0500 > Message-ID: <s6oov51fmri86fugqu1rpsoct1rgr8os36 4ax.com> > References: <5ci8u59pvjah0frgk0eafp5hqjohdhpf1o 4ax.com> <e1blv5th0jfc8813mvlnjcr3i3dpu7lkek 4ax.com> <5b0mv5915rhmg43817q7uif3di1ukgf55j 4ax.com> <3b4mv5dtvjllfkoftg2p6q5mnn0ndfm3k3 4ax.com> <cn5mv551dp2p7s45b73lfe2ufion04bgm7 4ax.com> <0rrnv553kai7u0q4b46a3m7bvg3r4afgv4 4ax.com> <hqbov5dkib7fhidng4a9e7ir389vamask2 4ax.com> <13iov5pa8b99lo70kr6j90frahvv7l3n52 4ax.com> > X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 3.2/32.830 > X-No-Archive: yes > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100525-1, 05/25/2010), Outbound message > X-Antivirus-Status: Clean > Lines: 146 > X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com > NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.230.238.182 > X-Trace: sv3-tvHQKl4gCR55MktuKAJfzvB7tETPY7gjAzZvBXWKQNxnyQMolsXOtnCRbx4CaOWhu1ogAbvtODWvrAT!VA/LguHvXRQc8S8kGGpzjZMVk1Himb046YSI6gb09jDwog9CJaiJScv2EGR8QEaUWIwdyyWozVFD!T3waMf2uwWqv0IAhoK81s1TBoy8RwGb4 > X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers > X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly > X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 > Bytes: 8203 > X-Original-Bytes: 8139 >
From: Jim Thompson on 26 May 2010 10:49 On Wed, 26 May 2010 00:44:44 -0500, flipper <flipper(a)fish.net> wrote: >On Tue, 25 May 2010 17:47:54 -0700, UltimatePatriot ><UltimatePatriot(a)thebestcountry.org> wrote: > >>On Mon, 24 May 2010 21:01:17 -0500, flipper <flipper(a)fish.net> wrote: >> >>> >>>In jail for what? Being here 'illegally'. Says who? The State Court. >>>Sorry, only the Federal government can adjudicate immigration status. >> >> Lack of citizenship registration means that no adjudication is >>required. >>Got no papers, get no hearing... period. The case is closed before it >>even gets opened. > >Not true. Federal law requires a hearing before an immigration judge, >except for some who have committed "aggravated felonies:" in which >case deportation may be an 'expedited' administrative determination by >the designated authority. > >We have that pesky "due process" clause in the 14'th amendment, you >know, and nothing is 'automatic'. The government must give proper >notice, allow sufficient time for the person to respond, 'prove its >case', and all can be appealed (but with severe time limits on >"aggravated felonies" cases). > >Just being here 'illegally' doesn't necessarily mean you can be >deported either because, for one, you might be able to apply for a >change of status (poof, no longer 'illegal') and there are attorneys >who make their entire living on just the anything but trivial body of >immigration law. > >You really thought it was so simple as "no papers: goodbye" did ya? It is, _if_ you catch them crossing. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | The only thing bipartisan in this country is hypocrisy
From: Jim Thompson on 26 May 2010 11:56
On Mon, 24 May 2010 21:01:17 -0500, flipper <flipper(a)fish.net> wrote: >On Mon, 24 May 2010 16:53:27 -0700, Jim Thompson ><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: > [snip] >> >>We'll just throw 'em in jail :-) > >You'll throw 'who' in jail for 'what'? > [snip] Arpaio is just now saying on AM radio (KFYI... available via the web), "If ICE won't take them , we'll jail them". It's going to be fun to watch, The Nebbish versus a guy who once ran DEA :-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | The only thing bipartisan in this country is hypocrisy |