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From: Greegor on 24 May 2010 20:26 JT > San Fransicko, Californica, pontificates JT > with boycotts, but reality sets in.... LOL http://www.kcbs.com/bayareanews/Sanctuary-City-/6993538 Posted: Friday, 07 May 2010 6:17AM Sanctuary City? SAN FRANCISCO (KCBS) -- The federal program is called Secure Communities and it allows for the state justice department to automatically forward the fingerprints of all suspects to Immigration officials for a status check. That runs smack into San Francisco's policy of only reporting felony suspects who's status can't be verified. Sheriff Mike Hennessey says soon misdemeanor suspects will be reported to Immigration and Customs Enforcement as well. KCBS' Holly Quan reports "Everyone booked in the jail will be reported to ICE, starting in June," he said. While this policy has some city leaders worried about an end run around the sanctuary status, San Francisco's Mayor says the policy was never designed to protect criminal behavior. Federal officials say from October to March, nearly two million fingerprints were submitted for a cross check resulting in 212 thousand matches and 56 thousand immigration arrests or holds, many of those detainees are expected to be deported. http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/PENALCODE/834b-CA_PC.html Voter approved California law aimed at dealing with illegal aliens Calif. Penal Code Sec. 834b 834b. (a) Every law enforcement agency in California shall fully cooperate with the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service regarding any person who is arrested if he or she is suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws. (b) With respect to any such person who is arrested, and suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws, every law enforcement agency shall do the following: (1) Attempt to verify the legal status of such person as a citizen of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted as a permanent resident, an alien lawfully admitted for a temporary period of time or as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of immigration laws. The verification process may include, but shall not be limited to, questioning the person regarding his or her date and place of birth, and entry into the United States, and demanding documentation to indicate his or her legal status. (2) Notify the person of his or her apparent status as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws and inform him or her that, apart from any criminal justice proceedings, he or she must either obtain legal status or leave the United States. (3) Notify the Attorney General of California and the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service of the apparent illegal status and provide any additional information that may be requested by any other public entity. (c) Any legislative, administrative, or other action by a city, county, or other legally authorized local governmental entity with jurisdictional boundaries, or by a law enforcement agency, to prevent or limit the cooperation required by subdivision (a) is expressly prohibited.
From: Jim Thompson on 24 May 2010 22:31 On Mon, 24 May 2010 21:01:17 -0500, flipper <flipper(a)fish.net> wrote: [snip] > >And an officer is certainly not 'trained' in every nuance of criminal >law. He makes a 'reasonable' determination but not a 'final >adjudication' or else there'd be no need for courts. > >One problem I see is the State is not (explicitly anyway) authorized >to delegate powers beyond what's stated in SEC. 133. > >That, btw, is what Arizona is trying to skirt by making it also a >'State crime' but, as I've already mentioned, I have problems with >that. > > Don't really care if you have problems with that or not. Arizona is becoming the seat of rebellion... Next issue, if you can't speak English without an accent, you can't teach "English as a Second Language" classes. Enforcement began today. Coming next, "Skin a Federale for Fun Day" :-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | The only thing bipartisan in this country is hypocrisy
From: Jim Thompson on 24 May 2010 22:55 On Mon, 24 May 2010 21:50:50 -0500, flipper <flipper(a)fish.net> wrote: >On Mon, 24 May 2010 19:31:27 -0700, Jim Thompson ><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: > >>On Mon, 24 May 2010 21:01:17 -0500, flipper <flipper(a)fish.net> wrote: >> >>[snip] >>> >>>And an officer is certainly not 'trained' in every nuance of criminal >>>law. He makes a 'reasonable' determination but not a 'final >>>adjudication' or else there'd be no need for courts. >>> >>>One problem I see is the State is not (explicitly anyway) authorized >>>to delegate powers beyond what's stated in SEC. 133. >>> >>>That, btw, is what Arizona is trying to skirt by making it also a >>>'State crime' but, as I've already mentioned, I have problems with >>>that. >>> >>> >> >>Don't really care if you have problems with that or not. Arizona is >>becoming the seat of rebellion... > >I wish you luck but that part of the 'rebellion' may not go very far >if the Court strikes it down. > >Your best hope is if Holder personally appoints a lawyer as numbskull >as he is to handle the case, unless it goes to a Federal Court of >numbskulls Obama appointed. In that event you're SOL no matter what >the Constitution and Law says. > >>Next issue, if you can't speak English without an accent, you can't >>teach "English as a Second Language" classes. Enforcement began >>today. > >Now there's a slippery slope if ever I saw one. Next you'll be wanting >math teachers to know something of math and science teachers to know >something of science, and on and on. Where does it end? > >>Coming next, "Skin a Federale for Fun Day" :-) > >Isn't that a Mexican holiday? > > >> ...Jim Thompson Yep, Sicko de Mayo ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | The only thing bipartisan in this country is hypocrisy
From: Jim Thompson on 25 May 2010 11:55 On Mon, 24 May 2010 21:01:17 -0500, flipper <flipper(a)fish.net> wrote: [snip] > >One problem I see is the State is not (explicitly anyway) authorized >to delegate powers beyond what's stated in SEC. 133. > >That, btw, is what Arizona is trying to skirt by making it also a >'State crime' but, as I've already mentioned, I have problems with >that. > [snip] (1) Repeating myself, I don't give a flying fluck that you "have problems with that". (2) _Read_ the law, it requires an unlawful act BEFORE interdiction. (3) "Profiling" in traffic is impossible. Try it sometime. (4) Presentation of a valid Driver's license (*) disallows questioning about immigration status. (*) AZ uses hologram technology, and the police carry a tool to verify that it's not forged. (5) If ICE doesn't cooperate, we'll create another law, try 'em, then hand 'em off to Arpaio for a year. They'll not come back. (6) Illegal population is already down _significantly_ and the law hasn't even gone into effect yet... they're fleeing north to avoid Arizona's law. I personally know people that say their yard workers have fled. (My yard guy is a smart middle-aged white guy with several secretarial service and publication corporations... but likes to work outdoors :-) (7) Worst comes to worst, we'll bus 'em north. Will you "have problems with that" ?:-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | The only thing bipartisan in this country is hypocrisy
From: Joel Koltner on 25 May 2010 13:05
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in message news:2ddmv51s47qc0kt6raqtn8i021tg0tlshg(a)4ax.com... > Next issue, if you can't speak English without an accent, you can't > teach "English as a Second Language" classes. Enforcement began > today. Doesn't that leave out many would-be teachers from New York or New Jersey then? :-) |