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From: Andrew M. Saucci, Jr. on 9 May 2010 20:18
One big problem with a newsreader is that no one can force
advertising onto it. That may be one reason behind this. Otherwise, the
technology works just fine, thank you, and I have no problem with it. I'm
not a big fan of solutions in search of a problem.

"kevinp" <kevinp(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
news:qu5du5p3aaq1pvrs26m0qr79v5t3g1c4nr(a)4ax.com...
> I've been reading this discussion in one of MS's VB.NET news group.
> Wondered if anybody has heard about it. Here's a quote from the
> original post:
>
>
> Date 5/4/2010
> Starting in early summer 2010, Microsoft will begin progressively
> closing down the Microsoft public newsgroups to enrich conversations
> in the rapidly-growing forum platform. This decision is in response
> to worldwide market trends and evolving customer needs.
>
> Microsoft continues to invest in forums to reduce customer effort,
> consolidate community venues and make it easier for active
> contributors to retain their influence. Forums provide a healthy
> community environment with less spam and make answers easier to find
> by customers and search engines. Additionally, forums offer a better
> user and off-topic management platform that will improve customer
> satisfaction by facilitating discussions in a clean space.
>
> We understand that some newsgroups are still active, and important to
> the community. In the coming days and weeks, we will be rolling out
> tools and resources to minimize disruption to the community
> discussions.
>
> We are working diligently on providing additional resources and
> information in local languages later this week. In the meantime,
> please refer to the official Microsoft Newsgroup website
> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx
> concerning this issue. The Microsoft Newsgroup website will be made
> available in additional languages in the next few days.


From: Joe on 10 May 2010 04:02
On 10/05/10 01:18, Andrew M. Saucci, Jr. wrote:
> One big problem with a newsreader is that no one can force
> advertising onto it. That may be one reason behind this. Otherwise, the
> technology works just fine, thank you, and I have no problem with it. I'm
> not a big fan of solutions in search of a problem.
>
And from the website link:

'The move to an online forums application for community support has many
benefits. Perhaps most appealing is the notion that "we own the app".'

--
Joe
From: Brian Cryer on 10 May 2010 04:26
"Leythos" <spam999free(a)rrohio.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.265087df511dc1e798a33c(a)us.news.astraweb.com...
> In article <uzU6XZ37KHA.4832(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>, cgaliher(a)gmail.com
> says...
>> Yes. At some point in the future, SBS will get an official forum and
>> sometime shortly thereafter this newsgroup will be shut down.
>>
>
> The newsgroup will cease to exist at Microsoft, but MS doesn't control
> the other Usenet servers outside of MS, so the group will continue to
> exist for most of the world - If I understand Usenet propagation
> correctly.

Sadly no, at least not in my experience. I used to frequent a number of
Borland newsgroups, before Borland got taken over by Embarcadero. Once
Embarcadero pulled the plug on their newsgroups, posting to them petered out
almost straight away. So I think that once Microsoft pulls the plug on their
newsgroups that will be the end of them. Which is a real shame because (IMO)
newsgroups are so much better than forums.
--
Brian Cryer
www.cryer.co.uk/brian

From: Duncan McC on 10 May 2010 08:41
In article <MPG.265087df511dc1e798a33c(a)us.news.astraweb.com>,
spam999free(a)rrohio.com says...
>
> In article <uzU6XZ37KHA.4832(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>, cgaliher(a)gmail.com
> says...
> > Yes. At some point in the future, SBS will get an official forum and
> > sometime shortly thereafter this newsgroup will be shut down.
> >
>
> The newsgroup will cease to exist at Microsoft, but MS doesn't control
> the other Usenet servers outside of MS, so the group will continue to
> exist for most of the world - If I understand Usenet propagation
> correctly.

Hmmm - better read this then! :) ...

Key points:
Which Newsgroups Are Affected by this Shutdown?
All public newsgroups will eventually be closed between June 1, 2010 and
October 1, 2010. Microsoft will be closing newsgroups in a phased
approach,
starting with the least active newsgroups and moving eventually to more
active ones throughout the course of the next six months.

When will this Happen?
Effective June 1, 2010 this newsgroup will be closed.
(me: microsoft.public.outlook)


Full message...

Subject: Update - Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of Community
From: nntp(a)microsoft.com
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.outlook


What is Happening?
This message is to inform you that Microsoft will soon begin
discontinuing
newsgroups and transitioning users to Microsoft forums.

Why?
As you may know, newsgroups have existed for many years now; however,
the
traffic in the Microsoft newsgroups has been steadily decreasing for the
past several years while customers and participants are increasingly
finding
solutions in the forums on Microsoft properties and third party sites.
This
move will unify the customer experience, centralize content, make it
easier
for active contributors to retain their influence, mitigate redundancies
and
make the content easier to find by customers and search engines through
improved indexing. Additionally, forums offer a better user and spam
management platform that will improve customer satisfaction by
encouraging a
healthy discussion in a clean community space. To this end, Microsoft
will
begin to progressively shift available resources to the forums
technology
and discontinue support for newsgroups.

In addition to offering a compelling online browser experience, for
those
users who prefer to use an NNTP (newsgroup) reader to participate in the
newsgroups community, we have developed a solution called the NNTP
Bridge
which allows a user to connect a variety of supported NNTP readers to
the
forums they would like to participate in and continue having the NTTP
reader
functionality. You can find instructions on how to download and set up
the
NNTP Bridge here: http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums/

Which Newsgroups Are Affected by this Shutdown?
All public newsgroups will eventually be closed between June 1, 2010 and
October 1, 2010. Microsoft will be closing newsgroups in a phased
approach,
starting with the least active newsgroups and moving eventually to more
active ones throughout the course of the next six months.

When will this Happen?
Effective June 1, 2010 this newsgroup will be closed.

Where Should I go with the Closure of this Newsgroup?
Microsoft has a large selection of forums, many of which cover either
the
same or closely related technologies to the ones found in the
newsgroups.
The forums have seen amazing growth and are an excellent place to
continue
the discussion. We recommend that you start with
http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/officeoutlook.

Should you want to visit the other Microsoft Forums, please go to
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/forums/default.mspx

Who Should I Contact with any Questions?
Send any questions about the process, recommended forums and timing to
NNTP(a)microsoft.com


--
Duncan.
From: Cliff Galiher - MVP on 10 May 2010 08:51
Personally I like Usenet, but the "solutions in search of a problem" may not
be entirely fair. "Problems" exist in many forms. Some are visible, but
others are behind-the-scenes. If maintaining a cluster of servers is taking
significant I.T. resources, then it becomes advantageous to switch
platforms...not for any direct end-user benefit, but for the indirect
benefit of cutting costs and resolving back-end issues that you may not
realize are causing the less-than-stellar experience you wish you could
have. That, in turn, creates an indirect, but not necessarily immediately
visible, benefit to the user.

The truth is we'll never know what motivated them to make the switch. And
some of those reasons may be motivated by self-interest. So I'm not saying
"free pass" here. But I *am* saying that I'd be confident saying that there
were reasons for the switch that were more than "because we could" and "huh,
this seems like a fun way to spend money." There were undoubtedly
"problems" that are being addressed by this move. You don't have to agree
that this is the best solution, but you should at least be fair in the
assessment that they exist.

-Cliff


"Andrew M. Saucci, Jr." <spam-only(a)2000computer.local> wrote in message
news:OuEXeZ97KHA.1316(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> One big problem with a newsreader is that no one can force
> advertising onto it. That may be one reason behind this. Otherwise, the
> technology works just fine, thank you, and I have no problem with it. I'm
> not a big fan of solutions in search of a problem.
>
> "kevinp" <kevinp(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:qu5du5p3aaq1pvrs26m0qr79v5t3g1c4nr(a)4ax.com...
>> I've been reading this discussion in one of MS's VB.NET news group.
>> Wondered if anybody has heard about it. Here's a quote from the
>> original post:
>>
>>
>> Date 5/4/2010
>> Starting in early summer 2010, Microsoft will begin progressively
>> closing down the Microsoft public newsgroups to enrich conversations
>> in the rapidly-growing forum platform. This decision is in response
>> to worldwide market trends and evolving customer needs.
>>
>> Microsoft continues to invest in forums to reduce customer effort,
>> consolidate community venues and make it easier for active
>> contributors to retain their influence. Forums provide a healthy
>> community environment with less spam and make answers easier to find
>> by customers and search engines. Additionally, forums offer a better
>> user and off-topic management platform that will improve customer
>> satisfaction by facilitating discussions in a clean space.
>>
>> We understand that some newsgroups are still active, and important to
>> the community. In the coming days and weeks, we will be rolling out
>> tools and resources to minimize disruption to the community
>> discussions.
>>
>> We are working diligently on providing additional resources and
>> information in local languages later this week. In the meantime,
>> please refer to the official Microsoft Newsgroup website
>> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx
>> concerning this issue. The Microsoft Newsgroup website will be made
>> available in additional languages in the next few days.
>
>
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