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From: Andrew M. Saucci, Jr. on 10 May 2010 23:23
That's right-- many newsgroups exist outside of Microsoft's
servers. The real question is whether it will matter or not. Will MVP's, for
example, continue to use these newsgroups after Microsoft discontinues
support for them? If no one uses these groups, they may just become empty
rooms, the way most of CompuServe's forums were for many years after they
passed their prime.

"Leythos" <spam999free(a)rrohio.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.26523b436b3fde798a343(a)us.news.astraweb.com...
> In article <MPG.2652c6216d708eed989b6f(a)news.microsoft.com>, hard(a)work.ok
> says...
>> In article <MPG.265087df511dc1e798a33c(a)us.news.astraweb.com>,
>> spam999free(a)rrohio.com says...
>> >
>> > In article <uzU6XZ37KHA.4832(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>, cgaliher(a)gmail.com
>> > says...
>> > > Yes. At some point in the future, SBS will get an official forum and
>> > > sometime shortly thereafter this newsgroup will be shut down.
>> > >
>> >
>> > The newsgroup will cease to exist at Microsoft, but MS doesn't control
>> > the other Usenet servers outside of MS, so the group will continue to
>> > exist for most of the world - If I understand Usenet propagation
>> > correctly.
>>
>> Hmmm - better read this then! :) ...
>>
>> Key points:
>> Which Newsgroups Are Affected by this Shutdown?
>> All public newsgroups will eventually be closed between June 1, 2010 and
>> October 1, 2010. Microsoft will be closing newsgroups in a phased
>> approach,
>> starting with the least active newsgroups and moving eventually to more
>> active ones throughout the course of the next six months.
>>
>
> You've quoted something that does not show the impact outside of
> Microsoft's own servers. It's up to the backbone providers to choose
> what to continue, MS has no real control over them.
>
> --
> You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
> voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
> Trust yourself.
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From: Cliff Galiher - MVP on 11 May 2010 02:18
The resource isn't "going away." It is moving. If you read the MS press
release, they have stated that they are doing a *phased* discontinuation of
their public Usenet servers in favor of forums. As forums come online,
you'll be able to go there. I suspect most of the usual suspects will make
the transition.

-Cliff


"Joe#2" <Joe2(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:A00578CA-3B94-4619-BF19-F93486DD7A68(a)microsoft.com...
> Well I hate to see this resource go. It has been the "life blood" of my
> business for I guess 10 years now. I don't know how many times I have
> found
> the answere to a problem in this group. I have never logged that I didn't
> learn something. I have fallen into a lot of holes in 10 years just to
> have
> someone here throw me a life rope.
>
> I'll miss it.
>
> Any ideas on another group that is equivalent to this one?
>
> "Cliff Galiher - MVP" wrote:
>
>> Personally I like Usenet, but the "solutions in search of a problem" may
>> not
>> be entirely fair. "Problems" exist in many forms. Some are visible, but
>> others are behind-the-scenes. If maintaining a cluster of servers is
>> taking
>> significant I.T. resources, then it becomes advantageous to switch
>> platforms...not for any direct end-user benefit, but for the indirect
>> benefit of cutting costs and resolving back-end issues that you may not
>> realize are causing the less-than-stellar experience you wish you could
>> have. That, in turn, creates an indirect, but not necessarily
>> immediately
>> visible, benefit to the user.
>>
>> The truth is we'll never know what motivated them to make the switch.
>> And
>> some of those reasons may be motivated by self-interest. So I'm not
>> saying
>> "free pass" here. But I *am* saying that I'd be confident saying that
>> there
>> were reasons for the switch that were more than "because we could" and
>> "huh,
>> this seems like a fun way to spend money." There were undoubtedly
>> "problems" that are being addressed by this move. You don't have to
>> agree
>> that this is the best solution, but you should at least be fair in the
>> assessment that they exist.
>>
>> -Cliff
>>
>>
>> "Andrew M. Saucci, Jr." <spam-only(a)2000computer.local> wrote in message
>> news:OuEXeZ97KHA.1316(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> > One big problem with a newsreader is that no one can force
>> > advertising onto it. That may be one reason behind this. Otherwise, the
>> > technology works just fine, thank you, and I have no problem with it.
>> > I'm
>> > not a big fan of solutions in search of a problem.
>> >
>> > "kevinp" <kevinp(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
>> > news:qu5du5p3aaq1pvrs26m0qr79v5t3g1c4nr(a)4ax.com...
>> >> I've been reading this discussion in one of MS's VB.NET news group.
>> >> Wondered if anybody has heard about it. Here's a quote from the
>> >> original post:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Date 5/4/2010
>> >> Starting in early summer 2010, Microsoft will begin progressively
>> >> closing down the Microsoft public newsgroups to enrich conversations
>> >> in the rapidly-growing forum platform. This decision is in response
>> >> to worldwide market trends and evolving customer needs.
>> >>
>> >> Microsoft continues to invest in forums to reduce customer effort,
>> >> consolidate community venues and make it easier for active
>> >> contributors to retain their influence. Forums provide a healthy
>> >> community environment with less spam and make answers easier to find
>> >> by customers and search engines. Additionally, forums offer a better
>> >> user and off-topic management platform that will improve customer
>> >> satisfaction by facilitating discussions in a clean space.
>> >>
>> >> We understand that some newsgroups are still active, and important to
>> >> the community. In the coming days and weeks, we will be rolling out
>> >> tools and resources to minimize disruption to the community
>> >> discussions.
>> >>
>> >> We are working diligently on providing additional resources and
>> >> information in local languages later this week. In the meantime,
>> >> please refer to the official Microsoft Newsgroup website
>> >> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx
>> >> concerning this issue. The Microsoft Newsgroup website will be made
>> >> available in additional languages in the next few days.
>> >
>> >
From: Leythos on 11 May 2010 07:15
In article <2B89EA49-CC58-4C4A-899A-42DE09E8D954(a)microsoft.com>,
cgaliher(a)gmail.com says...
> I suspect most of the usual suspects will make
> the transition.
>

The only reason for MS to do this is to take control and push
advertising to us, and to force people to post in a manner that can be
tracked.

--
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voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
Trust yourself.
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