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From: guskz on 31 May 2010 13:27 To better explain the previous post. As light passes a large gravity well, it causes a redshift. If the Universes gravity was sufficiently strong, space contraction would generate ALSO a blue-shift (You would need an equation that does both). LIKEWISE the Universe expansion may also be causing both a redshift and a blue shift not from the motion of the expansion but by it's negative force well (potential), And as I said before perhaps even a double redshift or very least likely double blue shift. Many will agree with the logic provided. ----------------------- Also it's not positive that gravity affects space's expansion (may only dent the balloon's surface); same as two gravity wells (Two galaxies) merge or every single gravity well merges may not cause a collapse of the Universe or affect it's expansion.
From: bert on 31 May 2010 14:41 On May 31, 1:27 pm, "gu...(a)hotmail.com" <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > To better explain the previous post. > > As light passes a large gravity well, it causes a redshift. If the > Universes gravity was sufficiently strong, space contraction would > generate ALSO a blue-shift (You would need an equation that does > both). > > LIKEWISE the Universe expansion may also be causing both a redshift > and a blue shift not from the motion of the expansion but by it's > negative force well (potential), > > And as I said before perhaps even a double redshift or very least > likely double blue shift. > > Many will agree with the logic provided. > > ----------------------- > > Also it's not positive that gravity affects space's expansion (may > only dent the balloon's surface); same as two gravity wells (Two > galaxies) merge or every single gravity well merges may not cause a > collapse of the Universe or affect it's expansion. Saddle shape it is TreBert
From: BURT on 4 Jun 2010 22:04 On May 31, 11:41 am, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote: > On May 31, 1:27 pm, "gu...(a)hotmail.com" <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > To better explain the previous post. > > > As light passes a large gravity well, it causes a redshift. If the > > Universes gravity was sufficiently strong, space contraction would > > generate ALSO a blue-shift (You would need an equation that does > > both). > > > LIKEWISE the Universe expansion may also be causing both a redshift > > and a blue shift not from the motion of the expansion but by it's > > negative force well (potential), > > > And as I said before perhaps even a double redshift or very least > > likely double blue shift. > > > Many will agree with the logic provided. > > > ----------------------- > > > Also it's not positive that gravity affects space's expansion (may > > only dent the balloon's surface); same as two gravity wells (Two > > galaxies) merge or every single gravity well merges may not cause a > > collapse of the Universe or affect it's expansion. > > Saddle shape it is TreBert- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - But there is a boundary to the edge of the saddle that makes no sense. No it is unbounded; a round closed 4th dimension with the universe in its surface. This is called the Hypersphere Model of cosmology. Mitch Raemsch
From: guskz on 4 Jun 2010 23:10 On Jun 4, 10:04 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On May 31, 11:41 am, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 31, 1:27 pm, "gu...(a)hotmail.com" <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > To better explain the previous post. > > > > As light passes a large gravity well, it causes a redshift. If the > > > Universes gravity was sufficiently strong, space contraction would > > > generate ALSO a blue-shift (You would need an equation that does > > > both). > > > > LIKEWISE the Universe expansion may also be causing both a redshift > > > and a blue shift not from the motion of the expansion but by it's > > > negative force well (potential), > > > > And as I said before perhaps even a double redshift or very least > > > likely double blue shift. > > > > Many will agree with the logic provided. > > > > ----------------------- > > > > Also it's not positive that gravity affects space's expansion (may > > > only dent the balloon's surface); same as two gravity wells (Two > > > galaxies) merge or every single gravity well merges may not cause a > > > collapse of the Universe or affect it's expansion. > > > Saddle shape it is TreBert- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > But there is a boundary to the edge of the saddle that makes no sense. > No it is unbounded; a round closed 4th dimension with the universe in > its surface. This is called the Hypersphere Model of cosmology. > > Mitch Raemsch Whatever you like to believe or draw, just remember that solely the dimension & vector time emanating from the singularity is simulating ""all"" other dimensions known as the space-time manifold tensor field. The same way a processor through time, emanates the drawing on a 2d & future 3d screen.
From: BURT on 4 Jun 2010 23:18
On Jun 4, 8:10 pm, "gu...(a)hotmail.com" <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 4, 10:04 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On May 31, 11:41 am, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote: > > > > On May 31, 1:27 pm, "gu...(a)hotmail.com" <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > To better explain the previous post. > > > > > As light passes a large gravity well, it causes a redshift. If the > > > > Universes gravity was sufficiently strong, space contraction would > > > > generate ALSO a blue-shift (You would need an equation that does > > > > both). > > > > > LIKEWISE the Universe expansion may also be causing both a redshift > > > > and a blue shift not from the motion of the expansion but by it's > > > > negative force well (potential), > > > > > And as I said before perhaps even a double redshift or very least > > > > likely double blue shift. > > > > > Many will agree with the logic provided. > > > > > ----------------------- > > > > > Also it's not positive that gravity affects space's expansion (may > > > > only dent the balloon's surface); same as two gravity wells (Two > > > > galaxies) merge or every single gravity well merges may not cause a > > > > collapse of the Universe or affect it's expansion. > > > > Saddle shape it is TreBert- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > But there is a boundary to the edge of the saddle that makes no sense. > > No it is unbounded; a round closed 4th dimension with the universe in > > its surface. This is called the Hypersphere Model of cosmology. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > Whatever you like to believe or draw, just remember that solely the > dimension & vector time emanating from the singularity is simulating > ""all"" other dimensions known as the space-time manifold tensor > field. > > The same way a processor through time, emanates the drawing on a 2d & > future 3d screen.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - All four dimensions are expanding. The hypersphere interior is timeless expansion in its slowest aether. Time expansion is space-time points flowing into the universe continuum everywhere and at all times at a very small rate. Only in great distances does expansion show up. Mitch Raemsch |