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From: PD on 24 Oct 2009 11:26 On Oct 24, 9:34 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > The MM experiment did not find the aether because it is entrained by > the Earth. > Small problem. No medium that is frictionless can be entrained.
From: mpc755 on 24 Oct 2009 11:29 On Oct 24, 11:18 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > On Oct 23, 11:32 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > I didn't say you said the observer is at rest in the aether. I said > > you said no observer is at rest in the aether. No observer at rest in > > the aether but the aether being at rest in all frames of reference is > > physically impossible. > > In didn't say that the aether is at rest in all inertial frames. I > said that all objects are in a state of absolute motion in the aether. > If the object is at rest in its frame of reference and the aether is at rest in the frame of reference, then the object is at rest in the aether.
From: mpc755 on 24 Oct 2009 11:42 On Oct 24, 11:18 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > On Oct 23, 11:32 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > I didn't say you said the observer is at rest in the aether. I said > > you said no observer is at rest in the aether. No observer at rest in > > the aether but the aether being at rest in all frames of reference is > > physically impossible. > > In didn't say that the aether is at rest in all inertial frames. I > said that all objects are in a state of absolute motion in the aether. > If the object is at rest in its frame of reference and the aether is at rest in the frame of reference, then the object is at rest in the aether. If the aether is in motion relative to the frames of reference, then the marks made by the lightning strike at A/A' and B/B' are irrelevant in terms of where the light travels from without knowing how the aether is in motion relative to the train frame of reference and the embankment frame of reference. Light propagates outward at 'c' similar to dropping a pebble into a pool of water. If the pool of water is on the train, then the wave will ripple outward from the point on the train. If the pool of water is stationary relative to the embankment, the wave will ripple outward relative to the point in three dimensional space in the train frame of reference. I realize you are going to keep having it both ways, where the aether is in motion relative to the frame of reference without impacting the propagation of light, but that is what I am saying is incorrect. Light travels at 'c' relative to the aether, not a frame of reference.
From: mpc755 on 24 Oct 2009 11:45 On Oct 24, 11:18 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > On Oct 23, 11:32 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > I didn't say you said the observer is at rest in the aether. I said > > you said no observer is at rest in the aether. No observer at rest in > > the aether but the aether being at rest in all frames of reference is > > physically impossible. > > In didn't say that the aether is at rest in all inertial frames. I > said that all objects are in a state of absolute motion in the aether. > If the object is at rest in its frame of reference and the aether is at rest in the frame of reference, then the object is at rest in the aether. If the aether is in motion relative to the frames of reference, then the marks made by the lightning strike at A/A' and B/B' are irrelevant in terms of where the light travels from without knowing how the aether is in motion relative to the train frame of reference and the embankment frame of reference. Light propagates outward at 'c' similar to dropping a pebble into a pool of water. If the pool of water is on the train, then the wave will ripple outward from the point on the train. If the pool of water is stationary relative to the embankment, the wave will ripple outward relative to the point in three dimensional space in the embankment frame of reference. I realize you are going to keep having it both ways, where the aether is in motion relative to the frame of reference without impacting the propagation of light, but that is what I am saying is incorrect. Light travels at 'c' relative to the aether, not a frame of reference.
From: Greg Neill on 24 Oct 2009 11:53
PD wrote: > On Oct 24, 9:34 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> The MM experiment did not find the aether because it is entrained by >> the Earth. >> > > Small problem. No medium that is frictionless can be entrained. Also, an entrained layer about the Earth would display aberration effects as the medium becomes less "entrained" with height. No such aberration is seen. |