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From: Jim Thompson on 9 Aug 2010 14:57 On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 13:22:28 -0500, "amdx" <amdx(a)knology.net> wrote: > >"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in >message news:qca066drftpc62sse9dotlbl9vtvjefeqp(a)4ax.com... >> On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 10:55:04 -0500, Jim Yanik <jyanik(a)abuse.gov> >> wrote: >> >>>"tm" <the_obamunist(a)whitehouse.gov> wrote in >>>news:i3nnde$bpi$1(a)adenine.netfront.net: >>> >>>> >>>> "Mark" <makolber(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>> news:f6abed25-a7aa-4940-9367-4c39a9fe913c(a)w30g2000yqw.googlegroups.com... >>>>>[snip] >>>>> >>>>> True but largely irrelevant. The US has lots of desert, and - with the >>>>> advance of global warming - will probably soon have even more. This >>>>> land is useless for anything except solar power generation and super- >>>>> conducting cable means that the power generated there can be used >>>>> pretty much anywhere. >>> >>>can't use the desert;a solar farm would upset the ecology,and the long >>>distance power lines would harm the view. >>>Plus,you need WATER to clean the panels,lots of it. >> >> A non-Silicon solution... >> >> http://www.aps.com/main/green/Solana/default.html >> >> [snip] >> >> ...Jim Thompson > I did an image search for Solana, >found it interesting, others might also. >http://tiny.cc/hp6re If you're into bubble-butts :-) > MikeK > I mentioned Solana here several years ago. When I heard of it I sent an E-mail to APS asking how it worked. Got a nice call from an engineer who works there who walked me thru its operation. Kewl! It's for real! Shows what can be done if you keep government away and leave the profit motive to drive the direction of research. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Spice is like a sports car... Performance only as good as the person behind the wheel.
From: Joel Koltner on 9 Aug 2010 15:35 "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in message news:mii0661dplvcqe13h504vlkdfud40uop8j(a)4ax.com... > On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 10:52:54 -0700, "Joel Koltner" > <zapwireDASHgroups(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >><dagmargoodboat(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >>news:f79d16cd-9b75-4238-96c6-088e0168ffc0(a)f42g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... >>> The easiest way to make any one technology competitive is by >>> kneecapping the others. >>Yes, although the devil is in the details: Some people would claim that >>requiring scrubbers and other emissions controls is "kneecapping" the coal >>industry... > Isn't it "kneecapping" to say you're going to break the back of the > coal industry, when clean coal technology is already functioning > nicely? I suppose it depends on just how hard you hit the guy's kneecaps -- sometimes you might just intend to slow them down a bit, but not completely take'em out? :-) > The beauty of Obama's kill coal stance is that it will do the most > economic damage to the "Blue States"... good for him, I love it when > Democrats get their just deserts :-) No, no, it just makes them that much more addicted to big federal government welfare. :-) While I definitely support R&D in alternative energy, coal clearly has a very good track record for being cost effective and "reasonably" environmentally friendly... and we sure aren't about to run out of it any time soon either. ---Joel
From: Joel Koltner on 9 Aug 2010 15:44 "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in message news:0jj0669ec1evm7n4fpbn7n1fh1bhhbrgt5(a)4ax.com... > It's for real! Shows what can be done if you keep government away and > leave the profit motive to drive the direction of research. The DoE is loaning them $1.45B, which isn't exactly keeping the government away. :-) But it looks like a could be a "win" for everyone involved, which is great...
From: amdx on 9 Aug 2010 15:47 "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in message news:0jj0669ec1evm7n4fpbn7n1fh1bhhbrgt5(a)4ax.com... > On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 13:22:28 -0500, "amdx" <amdx(a)knology.net> wrote: > >> >>"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote >>in >>message news:qca066drftpc62sse9dotlbl9vtvjefeqp(a)4ax.com... >>> On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 10:55:04 -0500, Jim Yanik <jyanik(a)abuse.gov> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>"tm" <the_obamunist(a)whitehouse.gov> wrote in >>>>news:i3nnde$bpi$1(a)adenine.netfront.net: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Mark" <makolber(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:f6abed25-a7aa-4940-9367-4c39a9fe913c(a)w30g2000yqw.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>[snip] >>>>>> >>>>>> True but largely irrelevant. The US has lots of desert, and - with >>>>>> the >>>>>> advance of global warming - will probably soon have even more. This >>>>>> land is useless for anything except solar power generation and super- >>>>>> conducting cable means that the power generated there can be used >>>>>> pretty much anywhere. >>>> >>>>can't use the desert;a solar farm would upset the ecology,and the long >>>>distance power lines would harm the view. >>>>Plus,you need WATER to clean the panels,lots of it. >>> >>> A non-Silicon solution... >>> >>> http://www.aps.com/main/green/Solana/default.html >>> >>> [snip] >>> >>> ...Jim Thompson >> I did an image search for Solana, >>found it interesting, others might also. >>http://tiny.cc/hp6re If you're into bubble-butts :-) >> MikeK >> > > I mentioned Solana here several years ago. When I heard of it I sent > an E-mail to APS asking how it worked. Got a nice call from an > engineer who works there who walked me thru its operation. Kewl! > > It's for real! Shows what can be done if you keep government away and > leave the profit motive to drive the direction of research. > > ...Jim Thompson Ya, butt what about Solana? :-) MikeK Oh, I noticed you altered my post, now somebody might look!
From: Jim Thompson on 9 Aug 2010 17:43
On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 12:35:42 -0700, "Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgroups(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in >message news:mii0661dplvcqe13h504vlkdfud40uop8j(a)4ax.com... >> On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 10:52:54 -0700, "Joel Koltner" >> <zapwireDASHgroups(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>><dagmargoodboat(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>news:f79d16cd-9b75-4238-96c6-088e0168ffc0(a)f42g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... >>>> The easiest way to make any one technology competitive is by >>>> kneecapping the others. >>>Yes, although the devil is in the details: Some people would claim that >>>requiring scrubbers and other emissions controls is "kneecapping" the coal >>>industry... >> Isn't it "kneecapping" to say you're going to break the back of the >> coal industry, when clean coal technology is already functioning >> nicely? > >I suppose it depends on just how hard you hit the guy's kneecaps -- sometimes >you might just intend to slow them down a bit, but not completely take'em out? >:-) > >> The beauty of Obama's kill coal stance is that it will do the most >> economic damage to the "Blue States"... good for him, I love it when >> Democrats get their just deserts :-) > >No, no, it just makes them that much more addicted to big federal government >welfare. :-) > >While I definitely support R&D in alternative energy, coal clearly has a very >good track record for being cost effective and "reasonably" environmentally >friendly... and we sure aren't about to run out of it any time soon either. > >---Joel You certainly don't understand coal miners. I do. I grew up there. I hope for a true balls-to-the-wall depression. Those not farm-boy trained will die... good riddance. What does a Democrat eat when he's hungry? Answer: Lead ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Spice is like a sports car... Performance only as good as the person behind the wheel. |