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From: andy thomas on 14 Apr 2010 18:26 The current changes to the Solaris licensing terms seem to apply to new downloads done this month (is, after March 31st). What is not clear is whether these apply retrospectively to existing Solaris installations - what is the situation where someone has bought the Solaris 9 media kit a few years ago and installed this (or Solaris 10 from a registered download) on a number of systems? Moving to Opensolaris is not an option for those who are running Solaris 9 on older hardware such as Ultra 1's or Enterprise 150 servers as these are not supported by either Solaris 10 or Osol. Andy
From: John D Groenveld on 14 Apr 2010 22:17 In article <Pine.GSO.4.64.1004142316480.20369(a)anahata>, andy thomas <andy.thomas(a)ic.ac.uk> wrote: >whether these apply retrospectively to existing Solaris installations - >what is the situation where someone has bought the Solaris 9 media kit a >few years ago and installed this (or Solaris 10 from a registered >download) on a number of systems? IANAL nor a barrister but I assume that Oracle cannot change the EULA that you and Sun previously agreed to. If you're worried, you should consult yours. >Moving to Opensolaris is not an option for those who are running Solaris 9 >on older hardware such as Ultra 1's or Enterprise 150 servers as these are >not supported by either Solaris 10 or Osol. What applications are your running on those antiques? John groenveld(a)acm.org
From: andy thomas on 15 Apr 2010 01:43 On Thu, 15 Apr 2010, John D Groenveld wrote: > In article <Pine.GSO.4.64.1004142316480.20369(a)anahata>, > andy thomas <andy.thomas(a)ic.ac.uk> wrote: >> whether these apply retrospectively to existing Solaris installations - >> what is the situation where someone has bought the Solaris 9 media kit a >> few years ago and installed this (or Solaris 10 from a registered >> download) on a number of systems? > > IANAL nor a barrister but I assume that Oracle cannot change the > EULA that you and Sun previously agreed to. That's what I thought. And I assume if I use the CDs from that media kit today to install Sol 9 on another system I have bought on eBay, for example, the EULA that was in force at the time I bought the media kit would still be valid? > If you're worried, you should consult yours. Not too worried but Oracle has not made the situation at all clear (just like Microsoft with its SQL Server licensing - an absolute nightmare with no clear answers from anywhere, not even M$ I discovered). >> Moving to Opensolaris is not an option for those who are running Solaris 9 >> on older hardware such as Ultra 1's or Enterprise 150 servers as these are >> not supported by either Solaris 10 or Osol. > > What applications are your running on those antiques? I know lots of people who are using old Sun kit as it's so reliable and cheap to buy on the second hand market. Personally I use an E150 for remote off-site backups, with all 12 disk bays filled and two DLT tape libraries attached. It may be 13/14 years old but I've never had any problems with it, unlike some much more recent PC-type kit from Dell & HP. Andy
From: Michael Laajanen on 15 Apr 2010 06:34 Hi, andy thomas wrote: > On Thu, 15 Apr 2010, John D Groenveld wrote: > >> In article <Pine.GSO.4.64.1004142316480.20369(a)anahata>, >> andy thomas <andy.thomas(a)ic.ac.uk> wrote: >>> whether these apply retrospectively to existing Solaris installations - >>> what is the situation where someone has bought the Solaris 9 media kit a >>> few years ago and installed this (or Solaris 10 from a registered >>> download) on a number of systems? >> >> IANAL nor a barrister but I assume that Oracle cannot change the >> EULA that you and Sun previously agreed to. > > That's what I thought. And I assume if I use the CDs from that media kit > today to install Sol 9 on another system I have bought on eBay, for > example, the EULA that was in force at the time I bought the media kit > would still be valid? > >> If you're worried, you should consult yours. > > Not too worried but Oracle has not made the situation at all clear (just > like Microsoft with its SQL Server licensing - an absolute nightmare > with no clear answers from anywhere, not even M$ I discovered). > >>> Moving to Opensolaris is not an option for those who are running >>> Solaris 9 >>> on older hardware such as Ultra 1's or Enterprise 150 servers as >>> these are >>> not supported by either Solaris 10 or Osol. >> >> What applications are your running on those antiques? > > I know lots of people who are using old Sun kit as it's so reliable and > cheap to buy on the second hand market. Personally I use an E150 for > remote off-site backups, with all 12 disk bays filled and two DLT tape > libraries attached. It may be 13/14 years old but I've never had any > problems with it, unlike some much more recent PC-type kit from Dell & HP. > > Andy Atip if you like keeping the old machine but neet more storage, install a LSI SAS/SATA adapter then remove disk backplane from the E150 keeping just the cages, then install standard SATA drives and connect them internally with standard cables, runns cooler that the SCSI drives and you can frow above the 300GB SCA drive limit. /michael
From: Richard B. Gilbert on 15 Apr 2010 07:50
Michael Laajanen wrote: > Hi, > andy thomas wrote: >> On Thu, 15 Apr 2010, John D Groenveld wrote: >> >>> In article <Pine.GSO.4.64.1004142316480.20369(a)anahata>, >>> andy thomas <andy.thomas(a)ic.ac.uk> wrote: >>>> whether these apply retrospectively to existing Solaris installations - >>>> what is the situation where someone has bought the Solaris 9 media >>>> kit a >>>> few years ago and installed this (or Solaris 10 from a registered >>>> download) on a number of systems? >>> >>> IANAL nor a barrister but I assume that Oracle cannot change the >>> EULA that you and Sun previously agreed to. >> >> That's what I thought. And I assume if I use the CDs from that media >> kit today to install Sol 9 on another system I have bought on eBay, >> for example, the EULA that was in force at the time I bought the media >> kit would still be valid? >> >>> If you're worried, you should consult yours. >> >> Not too worried but Oracle has not made the situation at all clear >> (just like Microsoft with its SQL Server licensing - an absolute >> nightmare with no clear answers from anywhere, not even M$ I discovered). >> >>>> Moving to Opensolaris is not an option for those who are running >>>> Solaris 9 >>>> on older hardware such as Ultra 1's or Enterprise 150 servers as >>>> these are >>>> not supported by either Solaris 10 or Osol. >>> >>> What applications are your running on those antiques? >> >> I know lots of people who are using old Sun kit as it's so reliable >> and cheap to buy on the second hand market. Personally I use an E150 >> for remote off-site backups, with all 12 disk bays filled and two DLT >> tape libraries attached. It may be 13/14 years old but I've never had >> any problems with it, unlike some much more recent PC-type kit from >> Dell & HP. >> >> Andy > Atip if you like keeping the old machine but neet more storage, install > a LSI SAS/SATA adapter then remove disk backplane from the E150 keeping > just the cages, then install standard SATA drives and connect them > internally with standard cables, runns cooler that the SCSI drives and > you can frow above the 300GB SCA drive limit. > > > /michael "and you can frow above the 300GB" frow????????????? I find that a spelling checker catches most of these little slips of the finger or of the mind! |