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From: J. Clarke on 12 Jun 2010 21:04 On 6/12/2010 8:58 PM, Hayek wrote: > Sam Wormley wrote: >> On 6/11/10 7:19 PM, Hayek wrote: >>> With an absolute frame, the travelling twin stays >>> younger. >> >> There are no absolute frames with special properties! >> > How does light now at what speed to travel ? > > From another post: > QUOTE > And yet : if a photon is emitted, anywhere in the > universe, at a reasonable distance from some > concentrated mass, it immediately adjusts to a special > frame, the photon's speed is immediately set by the > masses of the universe that surround the photon. > UNQUOTE > > Uwe Hayek. I understand the Uwe but what do you have against Hayek?
From: Hayek on 13 Jun 2010 02:34 Inertial wrote: > "Hayek" <hayektt(a)nospam.xs4all.nl> wrote in message > news:4c142d47$0$22920$e4fe514c(a)news.xs4all.nl... >> Sam Wormley wrote: >>> On 6/11/10 7:19 PM, Hayek wrote: >>>> With an absolute frame, the travelling twin stays >>>> younger. >>> >>> There are no absolute frames with special properties! >>> >> How does light now at what speed to travel ? > > Why does it need to 'know' anything .. it just does what it does. With the help of the absolute frame. Which is fairly well described in General Relativity, we need to consider the mass distribution around the photon, just as for a clock. And this mass distribution is : the universe. Taken from http://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/history/HistTopics/Time_2.html QUOTE Einstein decided that time was the whole key to understanding the universe, see [14]. He wrote:- My solution was really for the very concept of time, that is, that time is not absolutely defined but there is an inseparable connection between time and the velocity of light. UNQUOTE > How > does a train whistle sound-wave know how to adjust its frequency so that > a stationary observer hears a different pitch? Now you are talking observers, and about doppler. A more related question would be : how does the wave travel at the speed of sound. Air composition and pressure would determine that. It does not do what it wants to do. You gave a very unscientific and unthoughtful answer, Inertial. I really expected better from you. Uwe Hayek. -- We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion : the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history. -- Ayn Rand I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. -- Thomas Jefferson. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. -- Winston Churchill.
From: Hayek on 13 Jun 2010 02:38 Sam Wormley wrote: > On 6/12/10 7:58 PM, Hayek wrote: >> Sam Wormley wrote: >>> On 6/11/10 7:19 PM, Hayek wrote: >>>> With an absolute frame, the travelling twin stays >>>> younger. >>> >>> There are no absolute frames with special properties! >>> >> How does light now at what speed to travel ? > > Light doesn't make a choice-- Right, it does not have a choice. > it only exists propagating > at the cosmic speed limit. And what makes "the cosmic speed limit" ? The masses surrounding the photon. > Not an iota more or less. Uwe Hayek. -- We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion : the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history. -- Ayn Rand I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. -- Thomas Jefferson. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. -- Winston Churchill.
From: Inertial on 13 Jun 2010 02:54 "Hayek" <hayektt(a)nospam.xs4all.nl> wrote in message news:4c147c04$0$22933$e4fe514c(a)news.xs4all.nl... > Inertial wrote: >> "Hayek" <hayektt(a)nospam.xs4all.nl> wrote in message >> news:4c142d47$0$22920$e4fe514c(a)news.xs4all.nl... >>> Sam Wormley wrote: >>>> On 6/11/10 7:19 PM, Hayek wrote: >>>>> With an absolute frame, the travelling twin stays >>>>> younger. >>>> >>>> There are no absolute frames with special properties! >>>> >>> How does light now at what speed to travel ? >> >> Why does it need to 'know' anything .. it just does what it does. > > With the help of the absolute frame. A frame is just a point of view (and which doesn't ahve any special properties, so does not 'exist' as such).. it cannot DO anything > Which is fairly well described in General Relativity, Nope .. you clearly don't understand GR or SR. Get an education first > we need to consider the mass distribution around the photon, just as for a > clock. And this mass distribution is : the universe. > > Taken from > http://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/history/HistTopics/Time_2.html > QUOTE > Einstein decided that time was the whole key to understanding the > universe, see [14]. He wrote:- > > My solution was really for the very concept of time, that is, that > time is not absolutely defined but there is an inseparable connection > between time and the velocity of light. > UNQUOTE Yes .. we know all that >> How does a train whistle sound-wave know how to adjust its frequency so >> that a stationary observer hears a different pitch? > > Now you are talking observers, and about doppler. Its just as silly a question > A more related question would be : how does the wave travel at the speed > of sound. Air composition and pressure would determine that. It does not > do what it wants to do. It does not 'want' to do anything .. its a wave > You gave a very unscientific and unthoughtful answer, Not at all > Inertial. I really expected better from you. Then don't ask such stupid questions
From: Inertial on 13 Jun 2010 02:56
"Hayek" <hayektt(a)nospam.xs4all.nl> wrote in message news:4c147cfb$0$22933$e4fe514c(a)news.xs4all.nl... > Sam Wormley wrote: >> On 6/12/10 7:58 PM, Hayek wrote: >>> Sam Wormley wrote: >>>> On 6/11/10 7:19 PM, Hayek wrote: >>>>> With an absolute frame, the travelling twin stays >>>>> younger. >>>> >>>> There are no absolute frames with special properties! >>>> >>> How does light now at what speed to travel ? >> >> Light doesn't make a choice-- > > Right, it does not have a choice. Well derrrr .. how can it make choices? It is light .. not a sentient being. >> it only exists propagating >> at the cosmic speed limit. > > And what makes "the cosmic speed limit" ? The way the universe is. Either there is no limit, or there is a finite limit. I suspect that if there were no limit. > The masses surrounding the photon. No .. the local speed of light is always the same at any point you choose. >> Not an iota more or less. Exactly Sam > Uwe Hayek. > > > > -- > We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion : the stage > where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens > may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of > human history. -- Ayn Rand > > I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the > government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of > taking care of them. -- > Thomas Jefferson. > > Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the > gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. -- > Winston Churchill. |