Somewhat OT: Long term design
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From: Robert Baer on 15 Jan 2010 07:07 Sylvia Else wrote: > Jan Panteltje wrote: >> On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:54:31 -0500) it happened WangoTango >> <Asgard24(a)mindspring.com> wrote in >> <MPG.25b96ab48fc5c5b698ae28(a)news.east.earthlink.net>: >> >>> In article <035f8778$0$1309$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>, >>> adrian(a)qq.vv.net says... >>>> Maybe you could ask how far in the future you have to go before your >>>> 'device' becomes unrecognisable ? >>> What are you talking about? >>> I've watched TV and not only do those guys instantly recognize >>> millennium old devices, they recognize millennium old ALIEN devices, >>> and they all invariably function. I would be more interested in a >>> power source that could just sit for that period of time and still be >>> useable, >> >> >> Solar. > > The sun is unliklely to disappear over these sorts of timescales. > > But will the solar cell even still be exposed to it? We usually have to > dig down into the ground to find prehistoric sites, even from a few > thousand years ago. > > And if the cell manages to remain exposed - how many severe hailstorms > do you get an a period of several thousand years? Even if you choose a > place that's currently unlikely to get hailstorms, will that remain true > for the next thousands of years? > > Sylvia. Noting wrong using a solar cell using your condition that the device "be secreted from human tampering" for that 1000 years.
From: Robert Baer on 15 Jan 2010 07:10 Sylvia Else wrote: > Michael A. Terrell wrote: >> Joel Koltner wrote: >>> "WangoTango" <Asgard24(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message >>> news:MPG.25b96ab48fc5c5b698ae28(a)news.east.earthlink.net... >>>> I've watched TV and not only do those guys instantly recognize >>>> millennium old devices, they recognize millennium old ALIEN devices, >>>> and >>>> they all invariably function. >>> I've always been most impressed with how readily humans seem to be >>> able to >>> pick up on how to run, e.g., an entire alien spacecraft despite said >>> aliens >>> not speaking any known language, not necessarily resembling human >>> physiologically (e.g., the wavelengths you use in displays is going >>> to be >>> tuned to the individual species), and of course so often coming from >>> planets >>> with gravities and atmospheres highly compatible with human life. :-) >> >> >> They don't have to. The cast all read their scripts, and know what >> to do. ;-) >> >> > > And the aliens in many cases not only speak English, but do so with an > American accent. > > Sylvia. Oy say 'ol chap, a British accent!
From: WangoTango on 15 Jan 2010 11:15 In article <me9vk5hskhr333hdtvl2ehnj771qiosb3p(a)4ax.com>, jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com says... > On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:54:31 -0500, WangoTango > <Asgard24(a)mindspring.com> wrote: > > >In article <035f8778$0$1309$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>, adrian(a)qq.vv.net > >says... > >> Maybe you could ask how far in the future you have to go before your > >> 'device' becomes unrecognisable ? > > > >What are you talking about? > >I've watched TV and not only do those guys instantly recognize > >millennium old devices, they recognize millennium old ALIEN devices, and > >they all invariably function. I would be more interested in a power > >source that could just sit for that period of time and still be useable, > >especially those in all the neato hand held stuff they pick up and use. > >You just haven't been watching the right programs. ;) > > They can plug alien memory sticks into their computer and always read > them instantly. Clearly the Enterprise computer doesn't run Windows. > > John > > Must be Apple products. I saw ID4, Jeff Goldblum could write Trojans for an alien network system on his Apple Laptop, even the Jolly Roger skull was accurately displayed on the alien screen. Now that is some cross compiling......
From: WangoTango on 15 Jan 2010 11:19 In article <hio9k9$fsu$1(a)news.albasani.net>, pNaonStpealmtje(a)yahoo.com says... > On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:54:31 -0500) it happened WangoTango > <Asgard24(a)mindspring.com> wrote in > <MPG.25b96ab48fc5c5b698ae28(a)news.east.earthlink.net>: > > >In article <035f8778$0$1309$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>, adrian(a)qq.vv.net > >says... > >> Maybe you could ask how far in the future you have to go before your > >> 'device' becomes unrecognisable ? > > > >What are you talking about? > >I've watched TV and not only do those guys instantly recognize > >millennium old devices, they recognize millennium old ALIEN devices, and > >they all invariably function. I would be more interested in a power > >source that could just sit for that period of time and still be useable, > > > Solar. > Really....do we know what a solar cell will do after 1000yrs of sitting? How about, even with a 100% conversion rate, how much energy could you get from the light falling on a 200 cm2 device? If we assume an average of 1KW/m2 that still isn't squat. How much juice does a phasor use? ;)
From: WangoTango on 15 Jan 2010 11:21
In article <dwO3n.72802$IU1.46830(a)en-nntp-04.dc1.easynews.com>, zapwireDASHgroups(a)yahoo.com says... > "WangoTango" <Asgard24(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message > news:MPG.25b96ab48fc5c5b698ae28(a)news.east.earthlink.net... > > I've watched TV and not only do those guys instantly recognize > > millennium old devices, they recognize millennium old ALIEN devices, and > > they all invariably function. > > I've always been most impressed with how readily humans seem to be able to > pick up on how to run, e.g., an entire alien spacecraft despite said aliens > not speaking any known language, not necessarily resembling human > physiologically (e.g., the wavelengths you use in displays is going to be > tuned to the individual species), and of course so often coming from planets > with gravities and atmospheres highly compatible with human life. :-) > > Yeah, funny how they never 'beam' over to a 5G engineering room. Or a 0G and float away. The problem with aliens is that they are alien. |