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From: Dale on 25 Feb 2007 19:41
Like I said above. You're just trolling.

Dale

"D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:etPZw4TWHHA.528(a)TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Pogue Dale has asserted:
>
> "DRM sucks."
>
> The Burden of PROOF for that anserine assertion is on HIM.
>
> 'Nuff Said.
>
> DSH
>

From: Ken Blake, MVP on 25 Feb 2007 19:49
Dale wrote:

> That's what I thought. You have nothing to say, you're just trolling.


That became clear to me some months ago. He's been killfiled here ever
since.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup


> "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23be5d3TWHHA.4844(a)TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> But this is not a case of each [sic] company [sic] pointing their
>>> [sic] finger and neither taking responsibility. This is definitely
>>> Sonic's responsibility. They new [sic] it was coming. -- Pogue Dale
>>
>> --------------Cordon
>> Sanitaire--------------------------------------------
>>
>> 1. I have no intention of interfering with Microsoft's Game Plan.
>>
>> 2. To do so would be quite unethical.
>>
>> 3. Pogue Dale is obviously quite clueless on these more complex
>> legal and strategic matters involving the software business and
>> Microsoft's position in it.
>>
>> 'Nuff Said.
>>
>> DSH


From: Leonard F Kiesling on 26 Feb 2007 13:12
from my reply to post of:
wednesday, February 21, 2007 10:00 PM
Re: This driver is blocked due to compatibility issues - Sonic Solutions

had problem with new dell vista home premium desktop.
only answering as a dell system customer, & their fix which worked for me.

first area i searched was this forum:
http://www.dellcommunity.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=vista&thread.id=8536
(page six has answer)

in the forum was a link to roxio. it discusses cause:
http://kb.roxio.com/content/kb/Creator/000131CR (this page loads slowly)


the dell fix is here:
http://support.dell.com/support/topics/global.aspx/support/dsn/en/document?c=us&docid=2872567F1A1D49A3E040A68F5B28196E&journalid=18940F4FBEEB11DB9DC1AF19BD307B73&l=en&s=gen

i'm offering my experience only with a new dell system, e521 model. i am not
experienced enough to offer tech advice. i come here for that. only trying
to pay back for what these microsoft newsgroups have given so freely to me!

thank you. len kiesling



"Hubert" <Hubert(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:133F3F33-1D93-4A99-B393-5632CF518EFE(a)microsoft.com...
>
> Thank you so much for the informative post, Bill, I have the notice from
> Dell and also the one from Roxio. My feeling is that it is up to Dell to
> configure the preinstalled items in such a way thet there is NO conflict.
> I
> expect my brand new system to work without me, a customers, resolving an
> error. Should not Dell have checked their final hard drive image before
> sending them out to customers? As to whose fault it is, I could not care
> less. I thought that by now Dell would have changed their configuration so
> that this persistent error does not happen, that was the reason for my
> post.
> Errors do happen, I worked in computer programming since the early 50's
> until
> I retired, and I have seen (and made) a fair share. Well, maybe someone
> with
> a new system will tell us that this error is no longer appearing. Thanks
> again for the detailed post, Bill.
> Hubert.
>
> "Non-entity" wrote:
>
>> Sonic has assimilated Roxio; Sonic's name appears in Roxio products since
>> the merger, at times.
>>
>> The DLA issue has been a big mess, as there was no problem until
>> Microsoft
>> issued a day 0 "fix" that made about 20? programs more compatible with
>> Vista - and yet marked the DLA driver Roxio (written by Sonic) as a "bad
>> driver." For many it causes non-stop "bad driver" error messages, and
>> they
>> keep coming back. I don't know if this driver is used by anyone other
>> than
>> Easy Media Creator 9, but it seems particularly difficult to get rid of.
>> I
>> just installed the program and didn't see the message, though - I
>> deselected
>> via custom install a lot of items in Easy Whatever that I don't use, and
>> BEFORE rebooting got rid of drag to disc - I think this is where the
>> driver
>> gets installed. Fingers and toes crossed, this install won't be
>> problematical because I did remove drag-to-disc before rebooting after
>> install. Seems Roxio doesn't think much of MS doing a day 0 poatch
>> (1/31)
>> that broke their program that DID work before the patch. There is also
>> an
>> MSKB article that shows steps to remove the patch from MS, for now.
>>
>> You can read up on this on the Roxio message boards, look for support for
>> Easy Media Creator 9 - it was supposed to be Vista compliant. Now they
>> are
>> going to evidently take their customer's good nature for granted and take
>> until April to release 9.1, at least that's what I saw in the support
>> board
>> at roxio.com.
>>
>> If your Dell came with Roxio burning software, by all means call Dell. I
>> believe they have a file that will banish this troublesome driver for
>> you.
>>
>> Roxio takes the stance that it's a "harmless" driver warning, however it
>> caused MSMAIL on my machine to stay resident in memory after being closed
>> (and so it wouldn't reopen unless the machine was rebooted). It also
>> caused
>> Forte Agent Newsreader (no, don't use it often) to download everything at
>> a
>> crawl - even just headers were slow. Removed all of Easy Whatever 9 and
>> both programs behaved normally.
>>
>> From all I've read of this, Dell has the answer for when you're already
>> getting the message in the form of a file (15 megs, don't know why so
>> big)
>> that uninstalls the bad driver and other programs that were dependent on
>> it
>> (like drag to disk).
>>
>> I don't have a Dell, but if you can't find this, at least check in the
>> message forums at roxio - the patch has been mentioned and the URL given.
>> It is likely Dell has Roxio s/w installed (and if Roxio is installed,
>> then
>> Sonic is as well).
>>
>> Not many definitive answers around here about ANYTHING, frustrating, when
>> you're having problems. Calling MS support has only resulted in 4 1/2
>> hours
>> on the phone, most of them spent on hold; and their "bottom line" was to
>> get
>> rid of this driver or the whole program, or whatever, but it was NOT A
>> MICROSOFT PROBLEM. Makes me feel like recommending Vista to all my
>> friends
>> (not). I hate to admit they (MS) were right, but removing Easy Media
>> Creator 9 put my computer back to perfect working condition.
>>
>> I ran out of room for my last good XP image and had to erase it, else I'd
>> be
>> going back to it for awhile. I thought this time would be different;
>> with
>> the long lead times for Vista I thought s/w houses would have their stuff
>> in
>> order THIS TIME (never has happened before, but I thought maybe THIS
>> TIME).
>> I was wrong. I'm also waiting on Hewlitt Packard to release it's
>> comprehensive s/w package that goes along with my 7210 all-in-one
>> printer.
>> I wonder how long it will be...
>>
>>
>> Bill Halvorsen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:u%233PJaJWHHA.5108(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> > This sounds as if it's from someone who worked on Vista -- and is
>> > chagrined.
>> >
>> > DSH
>> >
>> > "Dale" <nospam(a)nospam.ever> wrote in message
>> > news:%23hi6jDJWHHA.5008(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> >
>> >> If not, you should perhaps spend less time here and more time on
>> >> Sonic's
>> >> site flaming their products.
>> >>
>> >> Dale
>> >>
>> >> "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:O4%23rAwHWHHA.5092(a)TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> >
>> >>> Hmmmmmmm...
>> >>>
>> >>> Sonic DLA does NOT work in Vista?
>> >>>
>> >>> DSH
>> >>>
>> >>> "Hubert" <Hubert(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >>> news:1CDE47B7-677B-4243-BA8D-C1D312312B0B(a)microsoft.com...
>> >>>
>> >>>> Before purchasing a new Dell Vista equipped system I wonder whether
>> >>>> any
>> >>>> readers here have purchased a system in the last 6 days and did NOT
>> >>>> have the
>> >>>> incompatibility problem? Maybe people without this problem do not
>> >>>> read
>> >>>> this
>> >>>> post?
>> >>>> Well, I am trying.
>> >>>> Thanks,
>> >>>> Hubert.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>

"Dale" <nospam(a)nospam.ever> wrote in message
news:edFoXmPWHHA.4404(a)TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> The whole signed driver thing for the audio and CD thing is, as I
> understand it, all part of the DRM features in Vista. DRM sucks. But
> Sonic knew it was coming. The problem with Sonic incompatibility is
> Sonic's fault, not Microsoft's.
>
> Dale
>
> "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:up1KcjKWHHA.4404(a)TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> VERY fine post.
>>
>> Yes, I have a Dell XPS system, AM using Sonic drag to disc -- and I use
>> it often.
>>
>> Well, no "upgrade" to Vista for ME for a while.
>>
>> Thank you very much for your post.
>>
>> Day 0 "fix"...
>>
>> That's appalling.
>>
>> DSH
>>
>> "Non-entity" <notavalidaddress(a)nonentitynohow.net> wrote in message
>> news:OCzKtMKWHHA.4632(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>
>>> Sonic has assimilated Roxio; Sonic's name appears in Roxio products
>>> since the merger, at times.
>>>
>>> The DLA issue has been a big mess, as there was no problem until
>>> Microsoft issued a day 0 "fix" that made about 20? programs more
>>> compatible with Vista - and yet marked the DLA driver Roxio (written by
>>> Sonic) as a "bad driver." For many it causes non-stop "bad driver"
>>> error messages, and they keep coming back. I don't know if this driver
>>> is used by anyone other than Easy Media Creator 9, but it seems
>>> particularly difficult to get rid of. I just installed the program and
>>> didn't see the message, though - I deselected via custom install a lot
>>> of items in Easy Whatever that I don't use, and BEFORE rebooting got rid
>>> of drag to disc - I think this is where the driver gets installed.
>>> Fingers and toes crossed, this install won't be problematical because I
>>> did remove drag-to-disc before rebooting after install. Seems Roxio
>>> doesn't think much of MS doing a day 0 poatch (1/31) that broke their
>>> program that DID work before the patch. There is also an MSKB article
>>> that shows steps to remove the patch from MS, for now.
>>>
>>> You can read up on this on the Roxio message boards, look for support
>>> for Easy Media Creator 9 - it was supposed to be Vista compliant. Now
>>> they are going to evidently take their customer's good nature for
>>> granted and take until April to release 9.1, at least that's what I saw
>>> in the support board at roxio.com.
>>>
>>> If your Dell came with Roxio burning software, by all means call Dell.
>>> I believe they have a file that will banish this troublesome driver for
>>> you.
>>>
>>> Roxio takes the stance that it's a "harmless" driver warning, however it
>>> caused MSMAIL on my machine to stay resident in memory after being
>>> closed (and so it wouldn't reopen unless the machine was rebooted). It
>>> also caused Forte Agent Newsreader (no, don't use it often) to download
>>> everything at a crawl - even just headers were slow. Removed all of
>>> Easy Whatever 9 and both programs behaved normally.
>>>
>>> From all I've read of this, Dell has the answer for when you're already
>>> getting the message in the form of a file (15 megs, don't know why so
>>> big) that uninstalls the bad driver and other programs that were
>>> dependent on it (like drag to disk).
>>>
>>> I don't have a Dell, but if you can't find this, at least check in the
>>> message forums at roxio - the patch has been mentioned and the URL
>>> given. It is likely Dell has Roxio s/w installed (and if Roxio is
>>> installed, then Sonic is as well).
>>>
>>> Not many definitive answers around here about ANYTHING, frustrating,
>>> when you're having problems. Calling MS support has only resulted in 4
>>> 1/2 hours on the phone, most of them spent on hold; and their "bottom
>>> line" was to get rid of this driver or the whole program, or whatever,
>>> but it was NOT A MICROSOFT PROBLEM. Makes me feel like recommending
>>> Vista to all my friends (not). I hate to admit they (MS) were right,
>>> but removing Easy Media Creator 9 put my computer back to perfect
>>> working condition.
>>>
>>> I ran out of room for my last good XP image and had to erase it, else
>>> I'd be going back to it for awhile. I thought this time would be
>>> different; with the long lead times for Vista I thought s/w houses would
>>> have their stuff in order THIS TIME (never has happened before, but I
>>> thought maybe THIS TIME). I was wrong. I'm also waiting on Hewlitt
>>> Packard to release it's comprehensive s/w package that goes along with
>>> my 7210 all-in-one printer. I wonder how long it will be...
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill Halvorsen
>>>
>>> "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:u%233PJaJWHHA.5108(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>>>> This sounds as if it's from someone who worked on Vista -- and is
>>>> chagrined.
>>>>
>>>> DSH
>>>>
>>>> "Dale" <nospam(a)nospam.ever> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23hi6jDJWHHA.5008(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>>> If not, you should perhaps spend less time here and more time on
>>>>> Sonic's site flaming their products.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dale
>>>>>
>>>>> "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:O4%23rAwHWHHA.5092(a)TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>>>> Hmmmmmmm...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sonic DLA does NOT work in Vista?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DSH
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Hubert" <Hubert(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:1CDE47B7-677B-4243-BA8D-C1D312312B0B(a)microsoft.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Before purchasing a new Dell Vista equipped system I wonder whether
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>> readers here have purchased a system in the last 6 days and did NOT
>>>>>>> have the
>>>>>>> incompatibility problem? Maybe people without this problem do not
>>>>>>> read this
>>>>>>> post?
>>>>>>> Well, I am trying.
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Hubert.
>>
>>
>

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