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From: Max Wachtel on 3 May 2010 16:03
JD wrote:

> If everybody stopped replying to you, would you continue to just post
> and answer your own messages? Why don't we all see what happens?
>
+1
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From: FromTheRafters on 3 May 2010 17:56
"~BD~" <BoaterDave(a)hotmail..co.uk> wrote in message
news:zqednffVZ62DPkPWnZ2dnUVZ7qednZ2d(a)bt.com...
> FromTheRafters wrote:
>> "~BD~"<BoaterDave(a)hotmail..co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:poOdnQEbf6P_6EPWnZ2dnUVZ8kudnZ2d(a)bt.com...
>>
>>> You might enjoy life more if you stopped complaining about things
>>> over
>>> which you have no control. None whatsoever!
>>>
>>> No one *makes* you read what I have to say (there again, maybe you
>>> don't!) and it costs you nothing. Simply ignore me if what I say
>>> offends you.
>>
>> ...and be sure to announce to the world that you are officially
>> ignoring
>> his posts. :oD
>>
>>
>
> Hahaha! :)
>
> Shouldn't you have said that to JD - not to me?!!!

Sorry for the misunderstanding, it was meant as an unsolicited addendum
to your statement to JD.

Trying to get others to ignore a poster rather than just plain ignoring
a poster seems futile to me. Never have I seen it result in making the
offending poster go away - they just go to another more seemingly lively
group and crosspost back.


From: FromTheRafters on 3 May 2010 17:58
"JD" <JD(a)example.invalid> wrote in message
news:Y5GdnWlufcehV0PWnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d(a)posted.grandecom...

> If everybody stopped replying to you, would you continue to just post
> and answer your own messages?

Bingo!!


From: ~BD~ on 4 May 2010 01:42
JD wrote:

>
> We have a term down here in Texas. It's called "pi$$ing into the wind."
> We try not to do that but sometimes one misjudges the wind direction.
>

Maybe that's why your still wet behind the ears! ;)
From: Dustin Cook on 4 May 2010 02:22
~BD~ <BoaterDave(a)hotmail..co.uk> wrote in
news:poOdnQEbf6P_6EPWnZ2dnUVZ8kudnZ2d(a)bt.com:

> JD wrote:
>> ~BD~ wrote:
>>> FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>> "~BD~"<BoaterDave(a)hot.mail.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>> news:8aydnQR6ar0tr0DWnZ2dnUVZ8oKdnZ2d(a)bt.com...
>>>>> FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>>> "~BD~"<BoaterDave(a)hot.mail.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:156dnS2rcsGUg0HWnZ2dnUVZ8o6dnZ2d(a)bt.com...
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>> *What if* ....... ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One or more of those 'trusted' malware cleaning forums (or even
>>>>>>> a trusted software programme) could, surely, download such a
>>>>>>> programme onto a user's machine so that, forever afterwards,
>>>>>>> whatever is done on
>>>>>>> that machine may be monitored by an outside agency.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for responding FTR! :)
>>>>>
>>>>>> That's not very likely,
>>>>>
>>>>> But .... *I* believe that it is *possible*!
>>>>> ********
>>>>>
>>>>> As I've said elsewhere ..........
>>>>>
>>>>> "What a super ruse it would be, eh? - to clear a machine of
>>>>> everyone else's 'nasties' but then, perhaps, leave their own
>>>>> package installed on the user's machine. No one would ever
>>>>> suspect, would they?"
>>>>>
>>>>>> such a trojan would soon be discovered and dealt
>>>>>> with - very bad for the 'trusted' source's reputation.[...]
>>>>>
>>>>> Now this is where we seem to have a *real* difference of opinion,
>>>>> FTR!
>>>>>
>>>>> Just *who* would discover such covert malware. With today's
>>>>> high-speed and powerful machines a *user* is highly *unlikely* to
>>>>> discover that they have become part of a botnet! If their
>>>>> /cleaned/ machine is performing *better* that it had in a long
>>>>> while, why would the *user* suspect anything untoward?
>>>>
>>>> Bigger picture:
>>>>
>>>> Remember the quote about how you can fool some of the people some
>>>> of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time?
>>>
>>> �You may fool all the people some of the time, you can even fool
>>> some of the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all of the
>>> people all the time.� Abraham Lincoln
>>>
>>>> Malware like
>>>> that relies on the first part of that quote. It doesn't care about
>>>> the second part because there is no shortage of fools. Such
>>>> software does eventually get discovered, but usually cannot be
>>>> traced back to a single source - there are many sources and they
>>>> change location often. If someone has a *real firewall* then this
>>>> type of commercial malware's activities can soon be discovered.
>>>>
>>>> So asking "who would" is the wrong question - the individual is
>>>> insignificant in comparison to the whole. Instead you must ask
>>>> yourself if *anybody* would discover the hidden function, and what
>>>> that would mean to an otherwise legitimate (contactable) business.
>>>
>>> OK. Let' use an example.
>>>
>>> I do not consider Aumha.net to be a business (do you?)
>>>
>>> Let's say someone goes there for the cleaning of their machine and
>>> all seems to go to plan. Is there *any* company/organisation which
>>> makes random checks on such 'help' sites to ensure that nothing
>>> untoward, along the lines which I've described, is happening - to
>>> ensure that they are *not* compromising the machines of naive
>>> 'customers'?
>>>
>>>>> My limited understanding of matters is that once a machine is
>>>>> under the control of a botmaster, all personal control is
>>>>> effectively lost.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you dispute this?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, but I may be reading it differently than you are. It would
>>>> depend on how much control is still afforded you by the nature of
>>>> the offending program.
>>>
>>> Perhaps you are. I meant that an outside agency may do whatever they
>>> wish - whenever they wish - with the owner of the machine being
>>> completely unaware of the 'intruder'. This may only be achieved if
>>> the user can still carry out whatever he/she wishes to do and does
>>> not become suspicious in any way.
>>>
>>> HTH
>>>
>>
>> boater Dave, You are so full of $hit my monitor stinks when I see
>> your messages. Try a slow boat to anywhere but these newsgroups. OK?
>>
>
> You might enjoy life more if you stopped complaining about things over
> which you have no control. None whatsoever!

You too might find life more enjoyable if you lost the everyone might be
out to get me mentality. I'm sure it would bring you far less stress to
worry so much about the bad guys.

> No one *makes* you read what I have to say (there again, maybe you
> don't!) and it costs you nothing. Simply ignore me if what I say
> offends you.

Aren't you deliberatly offending to get a reaction?

> Enjoy your day! :)

I had a very enjoyable day, thanks.

--
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this boulder right down a cliff." - Goblin Warrior

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