From: R on
Jon B <black.hole(a)jonbradbury.com> wrote:

> Actually it's a good point that, somebody says 'the stores down' and
> half the world who up to that moment had no interest in the store, find
> themselves hitting refresh till it's back up.

My mum would give up. Then she'd forget whatever it was she
was thinking of buying. Then she'd buy herself a cake instead.

Now, if Apple sold cakes...
From: Graeme on
In message <1jdp8a3.j5xc4s16qhxrqN%me32(a)privacy.net>
me32(a)privacy.net (R) wrote:

> Jon B <black.hole(a)jonbradbury.com> wrote:
>
> > Actually it's a good point that, somebody says 'the stores down' and
> > half the world who up to that moment had no interest in the store, find
> > themselves hitting refresh till it's back up.
>
> My mum would give up. Then she'd forget whatever it was she
> was thinking of buying. Then she'd buy herself a cake instead.
>
> Now, if Apple sold cakes...

To go with the coffee?

--
Graeme Wall

My genealogy website <www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy/>
From: Andy Hewitt on
Elliott Roper <nospam(a)yrl.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <slrnhn2vi6.nk6.bas(a)rialto.bas.me.uk>, Ben Shimmin
> <bas(a)llamaselector.com> wrote:
>
> > Richard Tobin <richard(a)cogsci.ed.ac.uk>:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > Anyway, the store's back up but I've no idea what, if anything, has
> > > changed. The MBPs are all still Core 2 Duo, and the prices look much
> > > the same.
> >
> > I think it's just Aperture 3. Why they have to take the site down
> > for two hours just for that is beyond me.
>
> SIlent fanfare?
>
> ...and rather tasty it is too.
>
> I've got my order in already.

I had to make two attempts just to get the demo. Then the email arrived,
and I had to hack into it using the raw view so I could get the link for
the download.

Looks good so far though. I've just imported a small part of my
collection, from fresh untouched master images, and now waiting for the
post-import processes to complete before I evaluate.

I have done a little playing, and I'm reasonably impressed. First thing
I did was turn off Faces though, I've seen a lot of reports that it does
slow things down considerably, which would be consistant with the
feature's appearance in iPhoto.

The new adjustments layout I like, although the 'Auto Enhance' is a bit
hit and miss for me, it does seem to over-clip the shadows, and makes my
images look far too dark. Noise Reduction hasn't changed at al, as far
as I can see.

Otherwise, the speed is fine on my MacBook 2.2, although there is a
small delay between moving an adjuster and seeing the result. It used to
be just a slight blurriness as the Preview was remade, but now it's a
full blown pixelation.

I'll play some more before I decide whether it's worth spending �79 on.

--
Andy Hewitt
<http://web.me.com/andrewhewitt1/>
From: Elliott Roper on
In article <1jdpbrn.tcsxtpk2o47mN%thewildrover(a)me.com>, Andy Hewitt
<thewildrover(a)me.com> wrote:

> Elliott Roper <nospam(a)yrl.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > In article <slrnhn2vi6.nk6.bas(a)rialto.bas.me.uk>, Ben Shimmin
> > <bas(a)llamaselector.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Richard Tobin <richard(a)cogsci.ed.ac.uk>:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > > Anyway, the store's back up but I've no idea what, if anything, has
> > > > changed. The MBPs are all still Core 2 Duo, and the prices look much
> > > > the same.
> > >
> > > I think it's just Aperture 3. Why they have to take the site down
> > > for two hours just for that is beyond me.
> >
> > SIlent fanfare?
> >
> > ...and rather tasty it is too.
> >
> > I've got my order in already.
>
> I had to make two attempts just to get the demo. Then the email arrived,
> and I had to hack into it using the raw view so I could get the link for
> the download.
>
> Looks good so far though. I've just imported a small part of my
> collection, from fresh untouched master images, and now waiting for the
> post-import processes to complete before I evaluate.
>
> I have done a little playing, and I'm reasonably impressed. First thing
> I did was turn off Faces though, I've seen a lot of reports that it does
> slow things down considerably, which would be consistant with the
> feature's appearance in iPhoto.
>
> The new adjustments layout I like, although the 'Auto Enhance' is a bit
> hit and miss for me, it does seem to over-clip the shadows, and makes my
> images look far too dark. Noise Reduction hasn't changed at al, as far
> as I can see.
>
> Otherwise, the speed is fine on my MacBook 2.2, although there is a
> small delay between moving an adjuster and seeing the result. It used to
> be just a slight blurriness as the Preview was remade, but now it's a
> full blown pixelation.
>
> I'll play some more before I decide whether it's worth spending �79 on.

Mine's shipped. I chickened out of the free trial. I have been bitten
before turning free trials into paid-fors.
I'm looking forward particularly to the import automation presets and
the ability to run different libraries and merge them later. Mine is
getting far too big. (fnarr?)
I can foresee an overnight cruncher to update my library to v3. I
wonder if it can read v2 vaults?

I saw somewhere in all the cascade of gotchas that only some RAWs for
some cameras have improved noise reduction. Mine's on the list, so I
await that with interest. I was pretty happy with the lack of noise
already.

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From: Andy Hewitt on
Elliott Roper <nospam(a)yrl.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <1jdpbrn.tcsxtpk2o47mN%thewildrover(a)me.com>, Andy Hewitt
> <thewildrover(a)me.com> wrote:
[..]
> > Otherwise, the speed is fine on my MacBook 2.2, although there is a
> > small delay between moving an adjuster and seeing the result. It used to
> > be just a slight blurriness as the Preview was remade, but now it's a
> > full blown pixelation.
> >
> > I'll play some more before I decide whether it's worth spending �79 on.
>
> Mine's shipped. I chickened out of the free trial. I have been bitten
> before turning free trials into paid-fors.
> I'm looking forward particularly to the import automation presets and
> the ability to run different libraries and merge them later. Mine is
> getting far too big. (fnarr?)
> I can foresee an overnight cruncher to update my library to v3. I
> wonder if it can read v2 vaults?
>
> I saw somewhere in all the cascade of gotchas that only some RAWs for
> some cameras have improved noise reduction. Mine's on the list, so I
> await that with interest. I was pretty happy with the lack of noise
> already.

Well, some things aren't so good on speed. As a rule most adusters are
OK, but some are a bit poor - and I make a lot of use of the
highlight/shadow overlay tool, which is definitely not as good as the
one in V2.

Faces is a real resource hog though, 1.5GB of RAM used when just running
that, and it slows the rest of the system down too.

The auto enhance tool is too aggressive for my liking, and really does
clip the shadows far too much.

NR is something I really need for the compact camera photos, which are
JPGs. These are the ones that tend to have noise in low light shots. My
E510 Raws are mostly just fine. I have Elements and NoiseWare Pro for
those anyway, but it'd be nice not to have to work off a 60MB PSD or
TIFF version.

Apart from those, I do like it, and I might well upgrade at some point,
maybe at 3.1, but nothing that's really compelling for me at the moment
- all my photos are organised and adjusted right now, and I don't feel
inclined to skim over them all to see if I can improve them.

--
Andy Hewitt
<http://web.me.com/andrewhewitt1/>