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From: Unknown on 24 Mar 2010 16:44 The fact remains----I have never had a virus. I will state however my ISP also has a virus filter. "The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'" <me693(a)privacy.com> wrote in message news:hodt3e$gb0$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... > On 3/24/2010 3:22 PM, Unknown wrote: >> Mine would have to be infected in order to infect yours. That has NEVER >> happened to anyone I communicate with. >> The writers of malware and virus programs merely want your money. >> Isn't the reverse true??? I have NEVER been infected by someone who >> doesn't >> have a virus program installed. >> Stop and THINK--------how does one get a virus? When, and more >> importantly, >> how did you get your last virus? > > I got my last virus from my son, and it was a cold. > > But seriously, there are more ways you can get a virus than conceivable: > Drive by on the web, open port, social networking, chat, p2p, email, > removable drives, newsgroups, physical access, Sony/BMG music CDs, and > this is only the start. The point is that you need multiple layers of > protection in order to be truly protected from the long list of ways to > get infected or owned. Safe hex is great, but alone is not enough > protection. > >> "Mark Adams"<MarkAdams(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:1D2B1395-7224-4716-B6F9-B9182C4F4ECA(a)microsoft.com... >>> >>> >>> "Unknown" wrote: >>> >>>> Like I said. I have never had a virus, I have no problems with my >>>> system, >>>> I >>>> never have a problem updating, >>>> I have no antivirus or malware programs installed and YOU say I'm >>>> hiding >>>> my >>>> head in the sand????? >>>> Is that a way of your admitting you can't answer my question? >>> >>> You should expect that your machine will be infecting other machines all >>> over the net without your awareness or knowlege. That's why I have good >>> AV >>> software on my machines; so they won't get infected by machines like >>> yours. >>> ;-) >>> >>> >>>> "C"<c(a)nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message >>>> news:hodiqm$svq$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... >>>>> Unknown wrote: >>>>>> Like I said----nothing of any consequence happens. What should I >>>>>> expect? >>>>>> I'm not paranoid. >>>>>> "C"<c(a)nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>> news:hodf3e$lun$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... >>>>>>> Unknown wrote: >>>>>>>> Nothing of any consequence happens. >>>>>>>> "C"<c(a)nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:hodcsu$h4h$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... >>>>>>>>> Unknown wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Great post. I have been running XP since day one and have never >>>>>>>>>> had a >>>>>>>>>> virus. I have no malware or virus applications whatsoever. I DO >>>>>>>>>> NOT >>>>>>>>>> click on unknown items. >>>>>>>>> So how do you know you're not infected by a net bot, the owner of >>>>>>>>> which isn't really interested in letting you know you've been >>>>>>>>> punked? >>>>>>>>> Do you really think that all malware has a little feature that >>>>>>>>> lets >>>>>>>>> you know when they've latched on to your computer or what? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> How do you know you're not infected? Just because nothing seems to >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> happening doesn't mean it isn't. >>>>>>> >>>>> You're hopelessly hiding your head in the sand and as far as I'm >>>>> concerned, this thread is over. >>>>> >
From: Twayne on 24 Mar 2010 17:12 In news:u1Uqp%234yKHA.2552(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl, Unknown <unknown(a)unknown.kom> typed: > Mine would have to be infected in order to infect yours. > That has NEVER happened to anyone I communicate with. > The writers of malware and virus programs merely want your > money. The purposes of viruses and malware can be most anything from simple maliciousness and vandalism to holding your data hostage to a dos attack, to mention only a few things. I haven't had a virus in years, but I have to wonder how long you've actually been surfing & using the 'net. It helps a lot if you're behind a NAT router and have it secured, use a firewall, etc.. Those and safe surfing and site uses go a long ways toward staying clean. But if you aren't running any AV or malware detectors, you could be in for quite a surprise. Even botnet armies (Zombies) have become sophisticated enough to spread the processes out so much that their activities on your machine are barely noticeable. I suspect if you're telling the truth, that either you've been online only a short time or there are other mitigating circumstances you're not bothering to mention. I suspect you already know too, but the way one picks up malware is by opening infected attachments (which can even come from a friend who is infected), something that accompanies what you think is ia legitimate download, clicking on the right link on the right sites, clicking on any link in a spam mail, and a thousand other ways including on discs/sticks that other people might provide you with. ` Isn't the reverse true??? I have NEVER been infected by > someone who doesn't have a virus program installed. > Stop and THINK--------how does one get a virus? When, and > more importantly, how did you get your last virus? I didn't "get" the last virus, but I am getting the FedEx virus arriving about once a week in an attachment. It always gets caught before it's downloaded and removed, but they're still trying to send them. I tend to agree with whoever said your head's in the sand. It isn't a matter of your being safe from malware; it's a question of when you're gong to be afftected, assuming you aren't already infected. Without running scans you can not be certain that your machine is "clean" even with Linux and other less-targetted OS's. Therefore you cannot truthfully make the statement that you know you have never had a virus; you quite likely wouldn't know it. You could hav emany things going on and not know it. HTH, Twayne` "Mark Adams" <MarkAdams(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in > message > news:1D2B1395-7224-4716-B6F9-B9182C4F4ECA(a)microsoft.com... >> >> >> "Unknown" wrote: >> >>> Like I said. I have never had a virus, I have no problems >>> with my system, I >>> never have a problem updating, >>> I have no antivirus or malware programs installed and YOU >>> say I'm hiding my >>> head in the sand????? >>> Is that a way of your admitting you can't answer my >>> question? >> >> You should expect that your machine will be infecting >> other machines all over the net without your awareness or >> knowlege. That's why I have good AV software on my >> machines; so they won't get infected by machines like >> yours. ;-) >> >> >>> "C" <c(a)nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message >>> news:hodiqm$svq$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... >>>> Unknown wrote: >>>>> Like I said----nothing of any consequence happens. What >>>>> should I expect? >>>>> I'm not paranoid. >>>>> "C" <c(a)nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message >>>>> news:hodf3e$lun$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... >>>>>> Unknown wrote: >>>>>>> Nothing of any consequence happens. >>>>>>> "C" <c(a)nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:hodcsu$h4h$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... >>>>>>>> Unknown wrote: >>>>>>>>> Great post. I have been running XP since day one >>>>>>>>> and have never had a >>>>>>>>> virus. I have no malware or virus applications >>>>>>>>> whatsoever. I DO NOT >>>>>>>>> click on unknown items. >>>>>>>> So how do you know you're not infected by a net bot, >>>>>>>> the owner of which isn't really interested in >>>>>>>> letting you know you've been punked? >>>>>>>> Do you really think that all malware has a little >>>>>>>> feature that lets you know when they've latched on >>>>>>>> to your computer or what? -- >>>>>>>> C >>>>>>> >>>>>> How do you know you're not infected? Just because >>>>>> nothing seems to be happening doesn't mean it isn't. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> C >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> You're hopelessly hiding your head in the sand and as >>>> far as I'm concerned, this thread is over. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> C >>> >>> >>> .
From: "db" databaseben at hotmail dot on 24 Mar 2010 18:20 all anti virus software lags behind newly conceptualized virus's. but the vast majority of old virus's are usually blocked by up-to-date anti virals. -- db���`�...�><)))�> DatabaseBen, Retired Professional - Systems Analyst - Database Developer - Accountancy - Veteran of the Armed Forces - Microsoft Partner - @hotmail.com ~~~~~~~~~~"share the nirvana" - dbZen > > "Mike" <texan767(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:74a6ae96-2b0c-4371-a220-c5828c035055(a)k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... > I am curious how people wind up with viruses today, especially those > with anti-virus software! > I have cleaned a lot of computers up, using the ubcd4win, with great > sucess, but I have never had to do this to a computer without any > virus protection, whether it be CA, Symantec, Bit Defender, Macafee, > probably the only software I haven't seen on any of the computers I've > cleaned up is Trend Micro. Does that mean they are better then the > rest? What does theirs do that the others don't? > I myself have run without any antivirus software for a few months, > kind of as a test & have gotten nothing. > I have also ran with expired software without incident. Are my web- > browsing habits just safer than most? I doubt it. > I just wish I had an answer to the question that usually starts 'I > have anti-virus software...'. > On a lighter note, I did have one person a while back tell me they > actually clicked/downloaded a file after his software warned him. > His answer started with 'But I have anti-virus software on my > computer...'.
From: Mark Adams on 24 Mar 2010 18:23 "Unknown" wrote: > Mine would have to be infected in order to infect yours. That has NEVER > happened to anyone I communicate with. > The writers of malware and virus programs merely want your money. > Isn't the reverse true??? I have NEVER been infected by someone who doesn't > have a virus program installed. > Stop and THINK--------how does one get a virus? When, and more importantly, > how did you get your last virus? I don't think I've ever gotten a self-propagating virus either, but I did get the Antivirus 2009 malware last year when my wife clicked on a link in a screensavers website. She alerted me of the pop-up and instead of trying to close the pop-up, I rebooted the computer and ran Malwarebytes at bootup. That seems to have knocked it off, and I haven't had anything show up on a scan since. I still don't trust running without antivirus and antimalware applications, especially after seeing the results of the rootkit that was uncovered a few weeks ago by a Windows update. People whose machines were infected didn't even know that they were. Safe hex can only go so far. > "Mark Adams" <MarkAdams(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:1D2B1395-7224-4716-B6F9-B9182C4F4ECA(a)microsoft.com... > > > > > > "Unknown" wrote: > > > >> Like I said. I have never had a virus, I have no problems with my system, > >> I > >> never have a problem updating, > >> I have no antivirus or malware programs installed and YOU say I'm hiding > >> my > >> head in the sand????? > >> Is that a way of your admitting you can't answer my question? > > > > You should expect that your machine will be infecting other machines all > > over the net without your awareness or knowlege. That's why I have good AV > > software on my machines; so they won't get infected by machines like > > yours. > > ;-) > > > > > >> "C" <c(a)nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message > >> news:hodiqm$svq$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... > >> > Unknown wrote: > >> >> Like I said----nothing of any consequence happens. What should I > >> >> expect? > >> >> I'm not paranoid. > >> >> "C" <c(a)nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message > >> >> news:hodf3e$lun$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... > >> >>> Unknown wrote: > >> >>>> Nothing of any consequence happens. > >> >>>> "C" <c(a)nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message > >> >>>> news:hodcsu$h4h$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... > >> >>>>> Unknown wrote: > >> >>>>>> Great post. I have been running XP since day one and have never > >> >>>>>> had a > >> >>>>>> virus. I have no malware or virus applications whatsoever. I DO > >> >>>>>> NOT > >> >>>>>> click on unknown items. > >> >>>>> So how do you know you're not infected by a net bot, the owner of > >> >>>>> which isn't really interested in letting you know you've been > >> >>>>> punked? > >> >>>>> Do you really think that all malware has a little feature that lets > >> >>>>> you know when they've latched on to your computer or what? > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> -- > >> >>>>> C > >> >>>> > >> >>> How do you know you're not infected? Just because nothing seems to be > >> >>> happening doesn't mean it isn't. > >> >>> > >> >>> -- > >> >>> C > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > You're hopelessly hiding your head in the sand and as far as I'm > >> > concerned, this thread is over. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > C > >> > >> > >> . > >> > > > . >
From: Unknown on 25 Mar 2010 12:20
Responses in line "Twayne" <nobody(a)spamcop.net> wrote in message news:OU6O5a5yKHA.5940(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > In news:u1Uqp%234yKHA.2552(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl, > Unknown <unknown(a)unknown.kom> typed: >> Mine would have to be infected in order to infect yours. >> That has NEVER happened to anyone I communicate with. >> The writers of malware and virus programs merely want your >> money. > > The purposes of viruses and malware can be most anything from simple > maliciousness and vandalism to holding your data hostage to a dos attack, > to mention only a few things. > I haven't had a virus in years, but I have to wonder how long you've > actually been surfing & using the 'net. I've been surfing the net since 1994. However my computer experience dates to 1955. >. It helps a lot if you're behind a NAT router and have it secured, use a >firewall, etc.. I use the regular Windows firewall. >Those and safe surfing and site uses go a long ways toward staying clean. > But if you aren't running any AV or malware detectors, you could be in > for quite a surprise. Even botnet armies (Zombies) have become > sophisticated enough to spread the processes out so much that their > activities on your machine are barely noticeable. I suspect if you're > telling the truth, that either you've been online only a short time or > there are other mitigating circumstances you're not bothering to mention. Mitigating circumstances???? I keep my system updated. I install ALL Microsoft updates. I have external backup for any disaster. > I suspect you already know too, but the way one picks up malware is by > opening infected attachments (which can even come from a friend who is > infected), something that accompanies what you think is ia legitimate > download, clicking on the right link on the right sites, clicking on any > link in a spam mail, and a thousand other ways including on discs/sticks > that other people might provide you with. I NEVER click on unknown links. > ` > Isn't the reverse true??? I have NEVER been infected by >> someone who doesn't have a virus program installed. >> Stop and THINK--------how does one get a virus? When, and >> more importantly, how did you get your last virus? > > I didn't "get" the last virus, but I am getting the FedEx virus arriving > about once a week in an attachment. It always gets caught before it's > downloaded and removed, but they're still trying to send them. > > I tend to agree with whoever said your head's in the sand. It isn't a > matter of your being safe from malware; it's a question of when you're > gong to be afftected, assuming you aren't already infected. That is simply fear mongering. Do you sell malware programs? >Without running scans you can not be certain that your machine is "clean" >even with Linux and other less-targetted OS's. Therefore you cannot >truthfully make the statement that you know you have never had a virus; you >quite likely wouldn't know it. You could hav emany things going on and not >know it. That may well be true. However, in my circle of friends, relatives and every business I communicate with, I have never had a complaint. Have a good external backup, play safe hex and see how great your system runs. > HTH, > > Twayne` > > > > "Mark Adams" <MarkAdams(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in >> message >> news:1D2B1395-7224-4716-B6F9-B9182C4F4ECA(a)microsoft.com... >>> >>> >>> "Unknown" wrote: >>> >>>> Like I said. I have never had a virus, I have no problems >>>> with my system, I >>>> never have a problem updating, >>>> I have no antivirus or malware programs installed and YOU >>>> say I'm hiding my >>>> head in the sand????? >>>> Is that a way of your admitting you can't answer my >>>> question? >>> >>> You should expect that your machine will be infecting >>> other machines all over the net without your awareness or >>> knowlege. That's why I have good AV software on my >>> machines; so they won't get infected by machines like >>> yours. ;-) >>> >>> >>>> "C" <c(a)nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message >>>> news:hodiqm$svq$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... >>>>> Unknown wrote: >>>>>> Like I said----nothing of any consequence happens. What >>>>>> should I expect? >>>>>> I'm not paranoid. >>>>>> "C" <c(a)nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>> news:hodf3e$lun$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... >>>>>>> Unknown wrote: >>>>>>>> Nothing of any consequence happens. >>>>>>>> "C" <c(a)nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:hodcsu$h4h$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... >>>>>>>>> Unknown wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Great post. I have been running XP since day one >>>>>>>>>> and have never had a >>>>>>>>>> virus. I have no malware or virus applications >>>>>>>>>> whatsoever. I DO NOT >>>>>>>>>> click on unknown items. >>>>>>>>> So how do you know you're not infected by a net bot, >>>>>>>>> the owner of which isn't really interested in >>>>>>>>> letting you know you've been punked? >>>>>>>>> Do you really think that all malware has a little >>>>>>>>> feature that lets you know when they've latched on >>>>>>>>> to your computer or what? -- >>>>>>>>> C >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> How do you know you're not infected? Just because >>>>>>> nothing seems to be happening doesn't mean it isn't. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> C >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You're hopelessly hiding your head in the sand and as >>>>> far as I'm concerned, this thread is over. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> C >>>> >>>> >>>> . > > > |