Surge Protectors
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From: GregS on 21 Jun 2010 14:01 In article <0dd5b620-6272-4ed8-9169-a704119b1a1d(a)s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, GS <zekor(a)comcast.net> wrote: >On Jun 20, 1:36=A0am, Cydrome Leader <prese...(a)MUNGEpanix.com> wrote: >> William Sommerwerck <grizzledgee...(a)comcast.net> wrote: >> >>> Many years ago, PC and/or Byte (I forget which) used to test suppress= >ors. >> > If >> >>> they failed to provide suppression, I assume the mag would have said = >so. >> >> >> hillarious, PC magazine is your source for the lowdown on surge supres= >sion >> >> devices? >> >> > It was, 20 years ago. I don't think you get the point, though. >> >> So what is the point? John Dvorak wrote a story about surge supressors an= >d >> how they worked with his Cumulus 386 laptop and his CompuAdd 486sx tower? > >My news reader sees a problem in these postings >.. > >Mark Waller wrote an article for Byte. >I have his book PC Power Protection from 1988. >Great reading. I should also have that mag article if >anybody is interested. I should look it up. > >From worrying too much about protection, Mark is now a Family >Therapist. Here is the article. http://zekfrivolous.com/misc/waller.pdf
From: GregS on 21 Jun 2010 15:07 In article <hvo9ba$fs5$2(a)usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, zekfrivo(a)zekfrivolous.com (GregS) wrote: >In article <0dd5b620-6272-4ed8-9169-a704119b1a1d(a)s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, > GS <zekor(a)comcast.net> wrote: >>On Jun 20, 1:36=A0am, Cydrome Leader <prese...(a)MUNGEpanix.com> wrote: >>> William Sommerwerck <grizzledgee...(a)comcast.net> wrote: >>> >>> Many years ago, PC and/or Byte (I forget which) used to test suppress= >>ors. >>> > If >>> >>> they failed to provide suppression, I assume the mag would have said = >>so. >>> >>> >> hillarious, PC magazine is your source for the lowdown on surge supres= >>sion >>> >> devices? >>> >>> > It was, 20 years ago. I don't think you get the point, though. >>> >>> So what is the point? John Dvorak wrote a story about surge supressors an= >>d >>> how they worked with his Cumulus 386 laptop and his CompuAdd 486sx tower? >> >>My news reader sees a problem in these postings >>.. >> >>Mark Waller wrote an article for Byte. >>I have his book PC Power Protection from 1988. >>Great reading. I should also have that mag article if >>anybody is interested. I should look it up. >> >>From worrying too much about protection, Mark is now a Family >>Therapist. > > >Here is the article. > >http://zekfrivolous.com/misc/waller.pdf If its not clear, the first thing a great surpressor must have, is an isolation transformer. greg
From: westom on 21 Jun 2010 22:49 On Jun 21, 1:40 pm, bud-- <remove.budn...(a)isp.com> wrote: > westom just continues to repeat the same lies - a la Goebbels. An honest bud would simply post numeric specs to prove what he claims. He cannot. No plug-in protector claims that protection from each type of surge. bud is a promoter. He again posts insults because his protectors do not claim protection in numeric specs. Honesty is not bud. What do his citations show? Page 42 Figure 8. A protector too far from earth ground and too close to TVs earths a surge 8000 volts destructively through that TV. IEEE brochure Page 42 Figure 8 demonstrates why high profit plug-in protectors do not even claim protection in numeric specs. Buds job is to lie and insult so that you will ignore what he cannot provide - effective protection. Where are those numeric specs that claim surge protection? bud promotes these things and still cannot find those numeric specs.
From: bud-- on 22 Jun 2010 11:56 westom wrote: > On Jun 21, 1:40 pm, bud-- <remove.budn...(a)isp.com> wrote: >> westom just continues to repeat the same lies - a la Goebbels. > > An honest bud would simply post numeric specs to prove what he > claims. An honest westom would admit that specs have been provided often in other threads, and through a link in this thread. And also by other people. Always ignored. An honest westom would admit that both the IEEE and NIST surge guides say plug-in suppressors are effective. An honest westom would not try to make sources say the opposite of what they actually say. An honest westom would admit he can't find another lunatic that agrees that plug-in suppressors are NOT effective. An honest westom could answer simple questions: - Why do the only 2 examples of protection in the IEEE guide use plug-in suppressors? - Why does the NIST guide says plug-in suppressors are "the easiest solution"? - Why does the NIST guide say "One effective solution is to have the consumer install" a multiport plug-in suppressor? - How would a service panel suppressor provide any protection in the IEEE example, page 42? - Why does the IEEE guide say for distant service points "the only effective way of protecting the equipment is to use a multiport [plug-in] protector"? - Why did Martzloff say in his paper "One solution. illustrated in this paper, is the insertion of a properly designed [multiport plug-in surge suppressor]"? - Why does Dr. Mansoor support multiport plug-in suppressors? - Why aren't airplanes crashing daily when they get hit by lightning (or do they drag an earthing chain)? - Why does "responsible" manufacturer SquareD says "electronic equipment may need additional protection by installing plug-in [suppressors] at the point of use"? - Why don�t favored SquareD service panel suppressors list "each type of surge"? Why don't you ever answer questions westom??? -- bud--
From: GS on 8 Jul 2010 09:57
On Jun 9, 3:20 pm, Jeffrey D Angus <jan...(a)suddenlink.net> wrote: > GregS wrote: > > I just checked, and its difficult to find surpressors that > > are cheap. I found one for $30 and might get a discounted > > price. This is a basic model.................. > > http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/items/1ECD1?Pid=search > > Well, you can't say inexpensive andGraingerin the same sentence. > You'll find the exact same products elsewhere for 25-50% less. > > Jeff > > -- > Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity. > Frank Leahy, Head coach, Notre Dame 1941-1954 > > http://www.stay-connect.com I finally hooked up a suppressor to the main box. I ordered the item from Drillspot, and received it from GRAINGER ! I also fooled around with my lightning arrestors on the deck outside. I want to keep surge protector also in the separate garage. I also need to put something in my LED lighting string around the house. That would be expensive to replace and difficult. |