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From: Jeffrey D Angus on 12 Jun 2010 19:44 Jim Yanik wrote: > isn't it Godwin's Law? (DAGS) Yeah, my fingers are either getting fatter or my keyboard's getting narrower. Jeff -- �Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity.� Frank Leahy, Head coach, Notre Dame 1941-1954 http://www.stay-connect.com
From: Cydrome Leader on 17 Jun 2010 14:00 westom <westom1(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 10, 9:10 am, zekfr...(a)zekfrivolous.com (GregS) wrote: >>> But, a little Tripplite portable laptop surpressor has a really >> high rating in Joules. ?? > > How many hundred joules? Destructive surges are hundreds of > thousands of joules. How does that Tripplite magically make all that > energy disappear? It doesn't. That $3 power strip with some ten cent > protector parts is selling for how much? Appreciate its purpose. > > Go to Lowes. Ask him for the Cutler-Hammer 'whole house' protector > that costs less than $50. That protector (model CHSPMICRO) is for > 50,000 amp surges. Don't take my word for it. Read the numeric > specs. It will connect a direct lightning strike harmless to earth if > connected to a breaker box that connects 'less than 10 feet' to earth > ground. Massive energy dissipates harmlessly in earth. That Cutler- > Hammer protector is required to protect the Tripplite. > > It is always about where energy dissipates. Why does that Tripplite > numeric specifications not list protection from each type of surge - > in numbers? Because it only claims to protect from surges that are > typically not destructive. How does its hundreds of joules absorb > surges that are hundreds of thousands of joules? Ask bud for those > specs that claim protection from each type of surge. He will never > provide those specs. > > A protector is only as effective as its earth ground. Which is why > the Cutler-Hammer protector - about $1 per protected appliance - is > also the superior solution. bingo. I'm still amused that people really believe bogus junk surge protector power strips from china are actually made to any relevant UL rating of any sort.
From: Cydrome Leader on 17 Jun 2010 14:02 GregS <zekfrivo(a)zekfrivolous.com> wrote: > In article <hur1gf$daq$1(a)usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, zekfrivo(a)zekfrivolous.com (GregS) wrote: >>In article <6bd56ef5-dfe7-4ef6-be9a-95a6fdca7e04(a)j4g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, >> westom <westom1(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>On Jun 10, 9:10 am, zekfr...(a)zekfrivolous.com (GregS) wrote: >>>>> But, a little Tripplite portable laptop surpressor has a really >>>> high rating in Joules. ?? >>> >>> How many hundred joules? Destructive surges are hundreds of >>>thousands of joules. How does that Tripplite magically make all that >>>energy disappear? It doesn't. That $3 power strip with some ten cent >>>protector parts is selling for how much? Appreciate its purpose. >>> >>> Go to Lowes. Ask him for the Cutler-Hammer 'whole house' protector >>>that costs less than $50. That protector (model CHSPMICRO) is for >>>50,000 amp surges. Don't take my word for it. Read the numeric >>>specs. It will connect a direct lightning strike harmless to earth if >>>connected to a breaker box that connects 'less than 10 feet' to earth >>>ground. Massive energy dissipates harmlessly in earth. That Cutler- >>>Hammer protector is required to protect the Tripplite. >>> >>> It is always about where energy dissipates. Why does that Tripplite >>>numeric specifications not list protection from each type of surge - >>>in numbers? Because it only claims to protect from surges that are >>>typically not destructive. How does its hundreds of joules absorb >>>surges that are hundreds of thousands of joules? Ask bud for those >>>specs that claim protection from each type of surge. He will never >>>provide those specs. >>> >>> A protector is only as effective as its earth ground. Which is why >>>the Cutler-Hammer protector - about $1 per protected appliance - is >>>also the superior solution >> >>OK, I can't find it on their website. >> >>Read here. You say hundreds of thousands of Joules. >>This one has 100KA at 840 Joules > > > The little bitty Tripplite laptop protector is over a 1000 Joules. you really think so? send one over to me, I'll post a video of me dumping 1kJ into to to see what happens.
From: bud-- on 18 Jun 2010 15:55 Cydrome Leader wrote: > westom <westom1(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On Jun 10, 9:10 am, zekfr...(a)zekfrivolous.com (GregS) wrote: >>>> But, a little Tripplite portable laptop surpressor has a really >>> high rating in Joules. ?? >> How many hundred joules? Destructive surges are hundreds of >> thousands of joules. How does that Tripplite magically make all that >> energy disappear? It doesn't. That $3 power strip with some ten cent >> protector parts is selling for how much? Appreciate its purpose. >> >> Go to Lowes. Ask him for the Cutler-Hammer 'whole house' protector >> that costs less than $50. That protector (model CHSPMICRO) is for >> 50,000 amp surges. Don't take my word for it. Read the numeric >> specs. It will connect a direct lightning strike harmless to earth if >> connected to a breaker box that connects 'less than 10 feet' to earth >> ground. Massive energy dissipates harmlessly in earth. That Cutler- >> Hammer protector is required to protect the Tripplite. >> >> It is always about where energy dissipates. Why does that Tripplite >> numeric specifications not list protection from each type of surge - >> in numbers? Because it only claims to protect from surges that are >> typically not destructive. How does its hundreds of joules absorb >> surges that are hundreds of thousands of joules? Ask bud for those >> specs that claim protection from each type of surge. He will never >> provide those specs. >> >> A protector is only as effective as its earth ground. Which is why >> the Cutler-Hammer protector - about $1 per protected appliance - is >> also the superior solution. > > bingo. > > I'm still amused that people really believe bogus junk surge protector > power strips from china are actually made to any relevant UL rating of any > sort. "People" - like the 6 electrical engineers that actually work at surge protection? Who say in a surge guide from the IEEE that plug-in suppressors are effective? And in a surge guide from the NIST that plug-in suppressors are effective? Do you know of more reliable sources than the IEEE and NIST? And you still haven't admitted that UL tests the devices it lists? Still missing - your source that says plug-in suppressors are NOT effective - just like westom. And westom has been looking for years. I can only conclude that you are a Nazi. -- bud--
From: westom on 19 Jun 2010 09:11
On Jun 18, 3:55 pm, bud-- <remove.budn...(a)isp.com> wrote: > Still missing - your source that says plug-in suppressors are NOT > effective - just like westom. > And westom has been looking for years. You prove it. Your job is to promote plug-in protectors. You cannot even post any spec numbers that define protection from each type of surge. For good reason. To sell scam protectors, lying is normal. You have been lying for years. Even your own citations show damage to electronics because the protector is too close to appliances and too far from earth ground. Destructive surges are hundreds of thousands of joules. Where does that energy dissipate? Bud says that energy just magically disappears. Reality. Either that energy dissipates harmlessly in earth - a 'whole house' protector connected within feet to earth ground. Or that energy is hunting for earth destructively via appliances. Bud's citation Page 42 Figure 8 shows a surge earthed 8000 volts destructively through a nearby TV. Why? The home was using a plug-in protector promoted by Bud. The house did not earth via a 'whole house' protector. Energy was inside the building. Therefore damage. Where does all that energy dissipate? In hundreds of request, bud never posts numeric specs that claim protection. Bud never posts those numeric specs because no plug-in protector claims effective protection. bud must deny to protect profit margins. A protector is only as effective as its earth ground. It is bud's job to constantly promote lies and myths. He is paid to promote plug-in protectors. Lying is what promoters may do. Where are those numeric specs? bud will never provide any. He cannot claim protection that does not exist. Where does that energy dissipate? bud cannot say. Otherwise he must admit that plug-in protectors are profit centers not protection. |