From: Joerg on
Mark wrote:
> Someone mentioned adding a BLEED kit... I agree.
>
> It is a VERY good thing to do
>
> Think about it,,, without a bleed kit, water + minerals go in and
> water is evaporated, leaving ALL the minerals in the pads.
>
> With a bleed kit, say 10% of the incoming water exits via the bleed,
> so the minerals come to an equilibrium.
>
> I used a small hose and would use the bleed water to water the
> greens...
>

:-)

We'd have greens underneath so that's easy. But why is it that there is
next to nothing in technological progress in fields like this and the
user must redesign units that have been partially screwed up since
decades. So far:

a. Must install bleed kit cuz mfgs failed to.

b. Must somehow anchor unit because high winds would move it and mash up
drywall cutout inside.

c. Must regularly drain unit because mosquitos and bugs will breed in
there out here. Because mfgs still use old-fashioned pumps instead of
valves and spiders.

d. Must install screens against critters and bugs because mfgs forgot or
don't care. It would take the hornets out here about 15 seconds to drill
themselves a nice big hole.

e. Must build my own winterizing covers (_not_ a $20 canvas one) so cold
air won't leak in, because mfgs forgot.

Hmm ...

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From: Jim Thompson on
On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 08:59:20 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>Mark wrote:
>> Someone mentioned adding a BLEED kit... I agree.
>>
>> It is a VERY good thing to do
>>
>> Think about it,,, without a bleed kit, water + minerals go in and
>> water is evaporated, leaving ALL the minerals in the pads.
>>
>> With a bleed kit, say 10% of the incoming water exits via the bleed,
>> so the minerals come to an equilibrium.
>>
>> I used a small hose and would use the bleed water to water the
>> greens...
>>
>
>:-)
>
>We'd have greens underneath so that's easy. But why is it that there is
>next to nothing in technological progress in fields like this and the
>user must redesign units that have been partially screwed up since
>decades. So far:
>
>a. Must install bleed kit cuz mfgs failed to.
>
>b. Must somehow anchor unit because high winds would move it and mash up
>drywall cutout inside.
>
>c. Must regularly drain unit because mosquitos and bugs will breed in
>there out here. Because mfgs still use old-fashioned pumps instead of
>valves and spiders.
>
>d. Must install screens against critters and bugs because mfgs forgot or
>don't care. It would take the hornets out here about 15 seconds to drill
>themselves a nice big hole.
>
>e. Must build my own winterizing covers (_not_ a $20 canvas one) so cold
>air won't leak in, because mfgs forgot.
>
>Hmm ...

Californica must be in the dark ages. All your needs are available
here, mostly pre-installed.

And you use a "slide" in the ductwork to keep cold air out.

...Jim Thompson
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From: Joerg on
Jim Thompson wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 08:59:20 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> Mark wrote:
>>> Someone mentioned adding a BLEED kit... I agree.
>>>
>>> It is a VERY good thing to do
>>>
>>> Think about it,,, without a bleed kit, water + minerals go in and
>>> water is evaporated, leaving ALL the minerals in the pads.
>>>
>>> With a bleed kit, say 10% of the incoming water exits via the bleed,
>>> so the minerals come to an equilibrium.
>>>
>>> I used a small hose and would use the bleed water to water the
>>> greens...
>>>
>> :-)
>>
>> We'd have greens underneath so that's easy. But why is it that there is
>> next to nothing in technological progress in fields like this and the
>> user must redesign units that have been partially screwed up since
>> decades. So far:
>>
>> a. Must install bleed kit cuz mfgs failed to.
>>
>> b. Must somehow anchor unit because high winds would move it and mash up
>> drywall cutout inside.
>>
>> c. Must regularly drain unit because mosquitos and bugs will breed in
>> there out here. Because mfgs still use old-fashioned pumps instead of
>> valves and spiders.
>>
>> d. Must install screens against critters and bugs because mfgs forgot or
>> don't care. It would take the hornets out here about 15 seconds to drill
>> themselves a nice big hole.
>>
>> e. Must build my own winterizing covers (_not_ a $20 canvas one) so cold
>> air won't leak in, because mfgs forgot.
>>
>> Hmm ...
>
> Californica must be in the dark ages.


No, the same units are sold all over the country.


> All your needs are available here, mostly pre-installed.
>

So how do they keep the bugs and critters out? Remember, a hornet won't
even need to flex its muscles before drilling itself through one of
those Aspen pads.


> And you use a "slide" in the ductwork to keep cold air out.
>

Huh? Slide? I know the diverter thingies, mostly the motor-driven
industrial ones. I have yet to see one that's truly airtight.

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From: Jim Thompson on
On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:44:18 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>Jim Thompson wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 08:59:20 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mark wrote:
>>>> Someone mentioned adding a BLEED kit... I agree.
>>>>
>>>> It is a VERY good thing to do
>>>>
>>>> Think about it,,, without a bleed kit, water + minerals go in and
>>>> water is evaporated, leaving ALL the minerals in the pads.
>>>>
>>>> With a bleed kit, say 10% of the incoming water exits via the bleed,
>>>> so the minerals come to an equilibrium.
>>>>
>>>> I used a small hose and would use the bleed water to water the
>>>> greens...
>>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> We'd have greens underneath so that's easy. But why is it that there is
>>> next to nothing in technological progress in fields like this and the
>>> user must redesign units that have been partially screwed up since
>>> decades. So far:
>>>
>>> a. Must install bleed kit cuz mfgs failed to.
>>>
>>> b. Must somehow anchor unit because high winds would move it and mash up
>>> drywall cutout inside.
>>>
>>> c. Must regularly drain unit because mosquitos and bugs will breed in
>>> there out here. Because mfgs still use old-fashioned pumps instead of
>>> valves and spiders.
>>>
>>> d. Must install screens against critters and bugs because mfgs forgot or
>>> don't care. It would take the hornets out here about 15 seconds to drill
>>> themselves a nice big hole.
>>>
>>> e. Must build my own winterizing covers (_not_ a $20 canvas one) so cold
>>> air won't leak in, because mfgs forgot.
>>>
>>> Hmm ...
>>
>> Californica must be in the dark ages.
>
>
>No, the same units are sold all over the country.
>
>
>> All your needs are available here, mostly pre-installed.
>>
>
>So how do they keep the bugs and critters out? Remember, a hornet won't
>even need to flex its muscles before drilling itself through one of
>those Aspen pads.
>
>
>> And you use a "slide" in the ductwork to keep cold air out.
>>
>
>Huh? Slide? I know the diverter thingies, mostly the motor-driven
>industrial ones. I have yet to see one that's truly airtight.

I don't remember for certain the official name of a "slide". But it's
a piece of ductwork where you slip in a sheet-metal "door" to block
flow. It fits in a felt-backed set of sheet metal fingers, so only
really small critters can get thru ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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From: Artemus on

"Joerg" <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> Mark wrote:
>
> We'd have greens underneath so that's easy. But why is it that there is
> next to nothing in technological progress in fields like this

There is. Google "coolerado".

> and the
> user must redesign units that have been partially screwed up since
> decades. So far:
>
> a. Must install bleed kit cuz mfgs failed to.

It is not needed in all installations if the water is not hard, so why add
the expense? BTW don't feed your cooler soft water as the resulting
crystals will come off the pads and get blown into the house.

>
> b. Must somehow anchor unit because high winds would move it and mash up
> drywall cutout inside.

True, but this isn't the manufacturers problem as all installations aren't
the same.

>
> c. Must regularly drain unit because mosquitos and bugs will breed in
> there out here. Because mfgs still use old-fashioned pumps instead of
> valves and spiders.

How do you know this? AZ has plenty of bugs and, in the monsoon
season, skeeters too. But I've never had or seen a problem with them
breeding in the cooler. Maybe the pump mascerates the nymphs?
If you don't want to use a pump you can always just plumb the feed
water tube directly to the distribution spider in the top. This will use a
lot more water but the drain can go to a garden or other use so maybe
it will work for you. This will also virtually stop the calcium build up.

>
> d. Must install screens against critters and bugs because mfgs forgot or
> don't care. It would take the hornets out here about 15 seconds to drill
> themselves a nice big hole.

We had hornets, bees, wasps, & yellow jackets and never had one come
in the house thru the cooler. Adding screens would add cost for the
manufacturer and they are not needed in all (most?) cases so they don't.
>
> e. Must build my own winterizing covers (_not_ a $20 canvas one) so cold
> air won't leak in, because mfgs forgot.
>
Again this depends on the installation and local climate.
Art

> Hmm ...
>
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>
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>
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