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From: Snood on 11 May 2010 15:50
On 01/-10/-28163 02:59 PM, Kelly Clowers wrote:
> I don't have Nvidia myself, but tt should be a matter of installing
Nouveau,
> and then changing the "Driver" line in /etc/x11/xorg.conf from "nv" to
> "Nouveau"
> (or adding the line in the "Device" section if it doesn't exist).

Good old /etc/X11/xorg.conf. There isn't one on this system. I used to
hate fiddling around with that file. The transition to other means of
controlling video has been fraught with peril for some, but a few false
starts with video configuration on this system under various
distributions finally convinced me that the voyage needed to be undertaken.

> Cheers,
> Kelly Clowers

Many thanks for your response.

Best,
Sam

PS: I also sent this message from a different e-mail account. I figured
I'd resend it to clear up any question about who was actually responding
to the thread. Sorry about the dumbness. Too much swapping of systems
and info around this place.


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From: Charles Kroeger on 11 May 2010 22:10
>Saw that xserver-xorg-video-nouveau package is now in the main
>repository.

It does not appear to be in Sid or Squeeze as of this afternoon. (EST USA)
yes. However, I notice that 'nv' is still in Squeeze-main contrib non-free:

xserver-xorg-video-nv 1:2.1.17-2

but nv appears to be 'broken' if used in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, on my
version of things. Perhaps this is the result of some Debian religious
fanatics, but I think it's time to bid adeau to nv, alas it served me well.

I installed nouveau:

xserver-xorg-video-nouveau 1:0.0.15+git20100329+7858345-3 X.Org X
server -- Nouveau display driver (experimental)

and placed it, instead, into the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and lo it brought
forth an X session and looked just like nv. But, nv and nouveau are,
no pun intended, a bit two dimensional when one still has available the
nvidia-glx Xorg driver one should simply use it if one's hardware will comply.

Here's my #dpkg -l | grep nvidia list: (formatted to fit your screen)

nvidia-glx 190.53-4 NVIDIA binary Xorg driver
nvidia-glx-dev 190.53-4
nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-amd64 190.53-4+2.6.32-12
nvidia-kernel-common 20100216+3+nmu1
nvidia-kernel-source 190.53-4

You must compile the kernel-source package with:

# m-a -t clean,a-i nvidia-kernel-source

and if you have the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, and I don't see why you
shouldn't, then manually write in "nvidia" here:

Section "Device"
Identifier "Configured Video Device"
Driver "nvidia"


and there you go.

I'm using an Nvidia 9800GT gigabyte graphics card requiring a PCI Express x16
slot.

If you have the hardware to use this driver, I would recommend it.

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C

Deo Soli Debiane, Invicto, Seculari


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From: Snood on 12 May 2010 07:50
On 05/11/2010 09:43 PM, Charles Kroeger wrote:
>> Saw that xserver-xorg-video-nouveau package is now in the main
>> repository.
>
> It does not appear to be in Sid or Squeeze as of this afternoon. (EST USA)
> yes. However, I notice that 'nv' is still in Squeeze-main contrib non-free:
>
> xserver-xorg-video-nv 1:2.1.17-2

Sorry. I'm not thinking or communicating well. I'm using the vesa driver
on the system, not nv. My brain was tracking back to an earlier
experiment in which I was using other repositories. I use only main and
security for Squeeze.

However, I have been showing xserver-xorg-video-nouveau in Squeeze main
for a couple of days.

> but nv appears to be 'broken' if used in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, on my
> version of things. Perhaps this is the result of some Debian religious
> fanatics, but I think it's time to bid adeau to nv, alas it served me well.
>
> I installed nouveau:
>
> xserver-xorg-video-nouveau 1:0.0.15+git20100329+7858345-3 X.Org X
> server -- Nouveau display driver (experimental)
>
> and placed it, instead, into the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and lo it brought
> forth an X session and looked just like nv. But, nv and nouveau are,
> no pun intended, a bit two dimensional when one still has available the
> nvidia-glx Xorg driver one should simply use it if one's hardware will comply.

Too rich for my blood. By that I mean that nvidia-glx with this Quadro
card has caused all sorts of odd breakages and unreliability issues in
the DE. I have done enough experimenting with identical configurations
of Xfce and Gnome on this system, with the only difference being use of
different video drivers (vesa, nv, glx/restricted) under both Ubuntu and
Debian to know that it's not my imagination. I'd rather have a reliable
system than 3D, so glx is a no go for me. The vesa driver has been
absolutely flawless, but quite slow, of course. The slowness has been
worth it because absolutely nothing in the user interface has ever been
broken since I went to vesa. I don't game, and I've just learned to be
patient when switching workspaces.

;)

I'm looking forward to seeing if nouveau will be an improvement,
performance-wise, without causing reliability issues.

I am, however, going to wait and install nouveau the easy way, once the
upgrade to xserver-xorg-core becomes available in the repository. If
this weren't my main system I might be tempted to experiment, but I just
need this thing to keep working.


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From: Mark Allums on 12 May 2010 08:10
On 5/12/2010 6:49 AM, Snood wrote:

> I'm looking forward to seeing if nouveau will be an improvement,
> performance-wise, without causing reliability issues.
>
> I am, however, going to wait and install nouveau the easy way, once the
> upgrade to xserver-xorg-core becomes available in the repository. If
> this weren't my main system I might be tempted to experiment, but I just
> need this thing to keep working.


People running non-stable (even squeeze) are going to run into problems
now and then. It's an unavoidable certainty. nouveau is, well, new.
There are going to be problems with it.

Regarding reliability of video drivers: Running many different things,
hardware- and driver-wise, over time, I have learned that
dpkg-reconfigure is your friend, especially

dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.32-5

which regenerates the initrd.img. (I needed this recently. Substitute
the package name of your kernel.) Occasionally very helpful, that, when
troubleshooting drivers.

MAA



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From: Snood on 12 May 2010 10:20
On 05/12/2010 08:08 AM, Mark Allums wrote:
> On 5/12/2010 6:49 AM, Snood wrote:
>
>> I'm looking forward to seeing if nouveau will be an improvement,
>> performance-wise, without causing reliability issues.
>>
>> I am, however, going to wait and install nouveau the easy way, once the
>> upgrade to xserver-xorg-core becomes available in the repository. If
>> this weren't my main system I might be tempted to experiment, but I just
>> need this thing to keep working.
>
>
> People running non-stable (even squeeze) are going to run into problems
> now and then. It's an unavoidable certainty. nouveau is, well, new.
> There are going to be problems with it.

Of course. But the problems I had with Gnome and Xfce on this system
occurred not only in Squeeze, but also when running an Ubuntu LTS
version and Debian Stable. I only saw those problems when using the
restricted / glx drivers. Never with nv or vesa. I think this is,
perhaps, more a measure of the card itself than the drivers. But I know
a number of people with "high end" graphics cards from nvidia who have
reported the same sorts of issues that I saw. It doesn't really matter
much as these particular systems are no longer used as graphics
workstations. As they've aged we stuck Linux on them and use them as
admin workhorses, a job for which they are admirably suited because of
all of the screen real estate.

> Regarding reliability of video drivers: Running many different things,
> hardware- and driver-wise, over time, I have learned that
> dpkg-reconfigure is your friend, especially
>
> dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.32-5
>
> which regenerates the initrd.img. (I needed this recently. Substitute
> the package name of your kernel.) Occasionally very helpful, that, when
> troubleshooting drivers.

Yes. In my earlier experiences I would just wipe the drive and start
over when I suspected that hangovers from previous experiments with
drivers were getting in the way of new configurations. But after I
became comfortable with a few different methods of installation and
initial configuration I started paying attention to things like
dpkg-reconfigure and debconf-show.


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