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From: tony cooper on 20 Jul 2010 19:29 A bit off the subject for the Shoot-In, but one of the guest judges (a magazine photo editor in real life) for a recent competition night lectured sensibly on "tangents". A "tangent", as he described it, is a bit of the central point of interest of a photo that touches the edge of the frame. He advises to avoid this because it stops the eye from moving all around the major subject. This came to mind looking at Bowser's pigeons: http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/126699235 The tail feathers at the left are exactly what this judge was commenting on. He would have Bowser crop just outside that tangent point. When he first brought this up, I was skeptical. Then, I started noticing photographs where this exists and found that I *am* stopped at this point. I wouldn't notice the effect if there was a slivver of space twixt subject and edge. Naturally, this doesn't pertain to ordinary background or a deliberately offset image. Comments? -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
From: Robert Coe on 20 Jul 2010 19:53 On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:18:51 -0400, tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote: : Leaves (Martha Coe): Shrug. That's a rare plant in our area, and the red seed pod is quite unusual, I think. : (I'd like to see the Coes name their shots. Yes, they've identified : the subject, but I mean a title that says what they think they are : portraying. With those type of shots, you need to know what they were : going for.) Actually, Martha did name hers, although in typing the captions, I mis-identified the venue as "Garden of the Woods" rather than "Garden *in* the Woods". I knew better, sorry. I didn't name mine because I was in a hurry and because I had prepared a detailed commentary on each shot, which I have since posted. A word about what Martha was "going for", because I think it's moderately interesting: The New England Wildflower Society, which owns Garden in the Woods, has a National Science Foundation grant to compile a catalogue of Massachusetts plant life. Martha took the pictures at a class they held to train volunteers to take "specimen" photos according to a carefully defined protocol. The class began with a lecture and handouts, after which the students were sent out to the Garden's "Meadow" to practice taking pictures (the instructor's choice of that location constituting the "pinhole"). Martha hopes to take some pictures good enough to be included in the catalogue. Bob
From: Peter on 20 Jul 2010 20:22 "tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message news:uc5c46lsf5q0bqcbljgpcm8mb85qrq7voc(a)4ax.com... > > Foggy Lighthouse (Newman): I think the lighthouse should be more > recognizable as such if this is the title of the image. I can't > discern a lighthouse shape there. "Foggy View" might be better. I understand what you mean. Guess you have to know the lighthouse is there to see it. > > Takeoff (Newman) One of those catches that can't be done on purpose. > Good job. I like the crop with the diagonal of splashes. > Thanks. Actually I thought the bird was ready to fly and I just waited. Though luck does play a role too > Boat Flare (Newman) I really don't get the appeal. > Many agree with you. I have been experimenting with multiple exposures and very few have done well in CC competitions. However, I have a few prints that did well some runners up. Multiple exposures give an entirely different feel in print. -- Peter
From: Robert Coe on 20 Jul 2010 20:54 On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:29:36 -0400, tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote: : A bit off the subject for the Shoot-In, but one of the guest judges (a : magazine photo editor in real life) for a recent competition night : lectured sensibly on "tangents". : : A "tangent", as he described it, is a bit of the central point of : interest of a photo that touches the edge of the frame. He advises to : avoid this because it stops the eye from moving all around the major : subject. : : This came to mind looking at Bowser's pigeons: : http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/126699235 : : The tail feathers at the left are exactly what this judge was : commenting on. He would have Bowser crop just outside that tangent : point. : : When he first brought this up, I was skeptical. Then, I started : noticing photographs where this exists and found that I *am* stopped : at this point. I wouldn't notice the effect if there was a slivver of : space twixt subject and edge. : : Naturally, this doesn't pertain to ordinary background or a : deliberately offset image. : : Comments? There are undoubtedly cases where you could make that argument regarding a specific photo. As a general rule, I think it's bunk. And I don't think there's a thing wrong with Bowser's pigeons. It wouldn't have hurt to have a little space to the left of the bird's tail, but the picture doesn't need it. The "rule" might apply where there are two central elements separated by space. Cropping too closely on the axis along which the separation occurs tends to emphasize the space and dilute the relationship between the two elements. That's not the case in Bowser's picture. Bob
From: otter on 20 Jul 2010 21:31
On Jul 20, 3:04 pm, "Peter" <peter...(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: > My comments on some other shots: > > I like the back lighting in Grapes. The shot reminds me that summer is > coming to an end. Can't wait to taste some new wine. The story behind the "grapes" shot. Two of my pinholes put me in typical suburban neighborhoods, and there really wasn't much interesting. I possibly could have taken a picture of flowers, but that was about it. I don't know how the homeowners would take it for me to set up a tripod in their garden.. The third pinhole put me in a vacant field, which I felt held the most promise. When I scouted the location, though, it was disappointing - just a bunch of weeds and trash. I noticed a rusty fence, and took a look to see if I could do something with that. That's when I saw the grapes. There was about a 6 foot section of the fence covered with grapes. A little farther down there are more grape leaves, but no grapes. Not sure why the birds hadn't got to these. I decided to come back at "the golden hour" to shoot, and it did look a lot better with the back-lighting. I actually went back twice. I got a pretty good picture the first evening, but there were some things that bugged me about it, so I went back and took it again the next day. This time I brought a spray bottle along, and wet down the leaves. I think it freshened up the scene. Hope that doesn't disturb anyones sensibilities. I also cleaned up some spider webs in photoshop, and boosted fill- lighting a bit. But otherwise, the colors are pretty much the same as what I saw. |