From: Caleb Clausen on
On 4/9/10, Charles Johnson <charles.johnson(a)accre.vanderbilt.edu> wrote:
> I am under the impression, having actually spoken to the man himself,
> that he understands that ruby-talk is code focussed, and that high-
> level design discussions without code being exhibited are not likely
> to be very helpful here. He is looking for assistance with his
> project, but at the moment he is not willing to open source it; he
> understands (I think) that someone here might be willing to help, but
> that discussions of that should be done elsewhere.

For my part, discussions of just a design, with no code, would be
fine, provided some reasonably comprehensible description of that
design is forthcoming. So far, that has not happened. I have provided
thunk with some (hopefully constructive) criticisms of what his
writings and suggestions of how to improve them. But it doesn't seem
to have done any good. He seems to be one of those people who, when
someone says something he does not want to hear, it goes in one ear
and right out the other.

From: Aldric Giacomoni on
Charles Johnson wrote:
> He is looking for assistance with his
> project, but at the moment he is not willing to open source it; he
> understands (I think) that someone here might be willing to help, but
> that discussions of that should be done elsewhere.
>
> ~Charles~

Last chance.
I have created http://trevoke.net/ruids and emailed thunk the admin
username/password.

Hopefully, a proper conversation the way thunk wants it can happen
there.
--
Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.

From: Intransition on


On Apr 9, 10:15 am, thunk <gmkol...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Charles,
>
> 100% of the code is on the table to be available to a trusted party.
>
> no fees (maybe expenses) IF the right party!  but with ND.
>
> there are real reasons why this should be so.   The author sees a
> legitimate
> reason for some central control or chaos would reign.
>
> another reason is that the author is not interested in working at a
> "Ruid Central GitHub"
>
> and there are more reasons!

Then you have answered your own question. There is nothing to discuss.

From: thunk on
On Apr 9, 10:05 am, Intransition <transf...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 9, 10:15 am, thunk <gmkol...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Charles,
>
> > 100% of the code is on the table to be available to a trusted party.
>
> > no fees (maybe expenses) IF the right party!  but with ND.
>
> > there are real reasons why this should be so.   The author sees a
> > legitimate
> > reason for some central control or chaos would reign.
>
> > another reason is that the author is not interested in working at a
> > "Ruid Central GitHub"
>
> > and there are more reasons!
>
> Then you have answered your own question. There is nothing to discuss.

Oh did he?

thunk slept with Valerian last night
(attributed to Hippocrates circa 425 BC btw)

and has revved down from 10k to 8k or so. Carbon blown out, and
feeling more like "real work" all the time.

he blasted out 4 topics that dance around this camp fire.

and one thing all can appreciate is this: making 3 years of work
available to all including those eying his secret market - is NOT-
REVERSIBLE - it is not like one can say, ahh, whoops, you guys are not
on my page and i'm not on your page and so on. it is done, and the
COMMERCIAL folks like MiniTab and Mathematica could say "Thunky ol'
chap, why should we talk to you, when everything you've done is like
everywhere and anywhere on the web already" and we can chat it up with
folks that know more about AI than you do??

so it is just not as simple as some might like it to be. maybe it is,
but the thought of a Free DEMO (see last 40 posts - not new thought)
seems like a better compromise as best ol' thunk can understand.

and all this campfire stuff has been blasted into text at full on
thunk speed but maybe it will make sense. maybe not BUT IT SEEMS LIKE
A FAIR PLACE TO START IF THERE IS A START TO BE HAD.

and Thunk does love Ruby and would like to share. I'm not sure why
else he would be here really.


thunk
http://trevoke.net/ruids/


(thanks for this site / and it will be kept off line / if folks have
questions they will be carefully considered.)
From: Xavier Noria on
Please, if you have a concrete, specific question about Ruby, by all
means post it.

Vague talk about unknown things just does not make any sense. Not
questioning the openness of the software, that is your choice, just
saying there's nothing concrete to discuss and thus I believe this
thread should stop.