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From: Lloyd on 18 Apr 2007 14:21 On Apr 18, 2:07 pm, Bill Ward <b...(a)REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote: > On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:16:25 -0900, Big Glob wrote: > > On 18 Apr 2007 04:54:17 -0700, kdth...(a)yahoo.com wrote: > > >>On Apr 18, 1:13 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <Alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: l> Put > >>Google Earth on your desktop and find these "destroyed l> Rainforests", > >>then point them out to me. l> > >>> Besides which, oceanic surface plankton transpire a hell of a lot > >>> more than any piddling little forest. > > >>> Oh, and please explain why so many other planets and moons in the > >>> solar system are warming much more than Earth is. Are all of them > >>> subject to "natural" fluctuations _except_ Earth? That's just silly. > > >>> IOW how about you stop sockpuppeting for George Soros et. al. and do > >>> some thinking on your own? > > >>CO2 causes no warming of the earth. This is absolutely junk science. I > >>apologize for even arguing about CO2. But it is a point that one can show > >>the fraud of this entire movement of AGW. They will not give even an > >>accurate evaluation of CO2 in the natural environment, as they likewise > >>fudge and falsify each point of their theory. > > > The scientific data on all greenhouse gases is > > available on a number of edu and gov sites, but the Goofy Whackos > > inconveniently ignore truth. > > >>CO2 abatement is very energy costly. They hide these facts also, as it is > >>a point of their propaganda to associate CO2 reduction to energy > >>conservation, which are completely contradictory in reality. > > > Tearing down and building all new has been a > > common agenda of the far left for long before the AGW hoax was thought up, > > they fail to appreciate the value and amount of work, materials and energy > > required to rebuild. > > This is evident in all aspects of the economy, > > from low income federally funded apartment buildings that tenants trash > > within 10 years which the liberal lawmakers have torn down and rebuilt > > instead of training maintenance men to keep them in condition; > > to public transport, where they rationalize having > > right of way and equipment worth thousands of times what personal vehicles > > cost to carry the same number of people. > > Cost is no object when you're spending someone else's money. So Bush and the Republican Congress for the past 6 years were all leftists? Gee! >Leftists > always know how to spend your money better than you do, so they feel > obligated to take it from you for your own good. But they always say > they'll take it only from the rich, which is defined as everyone who > makes more money than you do, and split the loot with you, if you'll vote > for them. > > Bill Ward
From: Lloyd on 18 Apr 2007 14:27 On Apr 17, 9:39 pm, kdth...(a)yahoo.com wrote: > The proponents of AGW, are now demanding to have laws passed to > mandate 80% reduction in CO2 emissions by 2050. And a repeal of the Second Law of Thermodynamics too. http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28308
From: Bill Ward on 18 Apr 2007 15:32 On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:21:25 -0700, Lloyd wrote: > On Apr 18, 2:07 pm, Bill Ward <b...(a)REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote: >> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:16:25 -0900, Big Glob wrote: >> > On 18 Apr 2007 04:54:17 -0700, kdth...(a)yahoo.com wrote: >> >> >>On Apr 18, 1:13 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <Alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: l> >> >>Put Google Earth on your desktop and find these "destroyed l> >> >>Rainforests", then point them out to me. l> >> >>> Besides which, oceanic surface plankton transpire a hell of a lot >> >>> more than any piddling little forest. >> >> >>> Oh, and please explain why so many other planets and moons in the >> >>> solar system are warming much more than Earth is. Are all of them >> >>> subject to "natural" fluctuations _except_ Earth? That's just silly. >> >> >>> IOW how about you stop sockpuppeting for George Soros et. al. and >> >>> do >> >>> some thinking on your own? >> >> >>CO2 causes no warming of the earth. This is absolutely junk science. I >> >>apologize for even arguing about CO2. But it is a point that one can >> >>show the fraud of this entire movement of AGW. They will not give even >> >>an accurate evaluation of CO2 in the natural environment, as they >> >>likewise fudge and falsify each point of their theory. >> >> > The scientific data on all greenhouse gases is >> > available on a number of edu and gov sites, but the Goofy Whackos >> > inconveniently ignore truth. >> >> >>CO2 abatement is very energy costly. They hide these facts also, as it >> >>is a point of their propaganda to associate CO2 reduction to energy >> >>conservation, which are completely contradictory in reality. >> >> > Tearing down and building all new has been a >> > common agenda of the far left for long before the AGW hoax was thought >> > up, they fail to appreciate the value and amount of work, materials >> > and energy required to rebuild. >> > This is evident in all aspects of the economy, >> > from low income federally funded apartment buildings that tenants >> > trash within 10 years which the liberal lawmakers have torn down and >> > rebuilt instead of training maintenance men to keep them in condition; >> > to public transport, where they rationalize having >> > right of way and equipment worth thousands of times what personal >> > vehicles cost to carry the same number of people. >> >> Cost is no object when you're spending someone else's money. > > So Bush and the Republican Congress for the past 6 years were all > leftists? Gee! > >>Leftists >> always know how to spend your money better than you do, so they feel >> obligated to take it from you for your own good. But they always say >> they'll take it only from the rich, which is defined as everyone who >> makes more money than you do, and split the loot with you, if you'll >> vote for them. >> >> Bill Ward Note the usual lack of rational argument from Lloyd. Poor guy, he lives in a strawman, scarecrow world. Or a parrot cage.
From: mmeron on 18 Apr 2007 17:32 In article <pan.2007.04.18.18.07.41.853195(a)REMOVETHISix.netcom.com>, Bill Ward <bward(a)REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> writes: >On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:16:25 -0900, Big Glob wrote: > >> On 18 Apr 2007 04:54:17 -0700, kdthrge(a)yahoo.com wrote: >> >>>On Apr 18, 1:13 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <Alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: l> Put >>>Google Earth on your desktop and find these "destroyed l> Rainforests", >>>then point them out to me. l> >>>> Besides which, oceanic surface plankton transpire a hell of a lot >>>> more than any piddling little forest. >>>> >>>> Oh, and please explain why so many other planets and moons in the >>>> solar system are warming much more than Earth is. Are all of them >>>> subject to "natural" fluctuations _except_ Earth? That's just silly. >>>> >>>> IOW how about you stop sockpuppeting for George Soros et. al. and do >>>> some thinking on your own? >>> >>>CO2 causes no warming of the earth. This is absolutely junk science. I >>>apologize for even arguing about CO2. But it is a point that one can show >>>the fraud of this entire movement of AGW. They will not give even an >>>accurate evaluation of CO2 in the natural environment, as they likewise >>>fudge and falsify each point of their theory. >> >> The scientific data on all greenhouse gases is >> available on a number of edu and gov sites, but the Goofy Whackos >> inconveniently ignore truth. >> >>>CO2 abatement is very energy costly. They hide these facts also, as it is >>>a point of their propaganda to associate CO2 reduction to energy >>>conservation, which are completely contradictory in reality. >> >> Tearing down and building all new has been a >> common agenda of the far left for long before the AGW hoax was thought up, >> they fail to appreciate the value and amount of work, materials and energy >> required to rebuild. >> This is evident in all aspects of the economy, >> from low income federally funded apartment buildings that tenants trash >> within 10 years which the liberal lawmakers have torn down and rebuilt >> instead of training maintenance men to keep them in condition; >> to public transport, where they rationalize having >> right of way and equipment worth thousands of times what personal vehicles >> cost to carry the same number of people. > >Cost is no object when you're spending someone else's money. Leftists >always know how to spend your money better than you do, so they feel >obligated to take it from you for your own good. But they always say >they'll take it only from the rich, which is defined as everyone who >makes more money than you do, and split the loot with you, if you'll vote >for them. > Well, that's the basic operating principle of democracy, you buy votes using voters money. Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool, meron(a)cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
From: Bill Ward on 18 Apr 2007 17:44
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:32:10 +0000, mmeron wrote: > In article <pan.2007.04.18.18.07.41.853195(a)REMOVETHISix.netcom.com>, Bill > Ward <bward(a)REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> writes: >>On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:16:25 -0900, Big Glob wrote: >> >>> On 18 Apr 2007 04:54:17 -0700, kdthrge(a)yahoo.com wrote: >>> >>>>On Apr 18, 1:13 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <Alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: l> >>>>Put Google Earth on your desktop and find these "destroyed l> >>>>Rainforests", then point them out to me. l> >>>>> Besides which, oceanic surface plankton transpire a hell of a lot >>>>> more than any piddling little forest. >>>>> >>>>> Oh, and please explain why so many other planets and moons in the >>>>> solar system are warming much more than Earth is. Are all of them >>>>> subject to "natural" fluctuations _except_ Earth? That's just silly. >>>>> >>>>> IOW how about you stop sockpuppeting for George Soros et. al. and >>>>> do >>>>> some thinking on your own? >>>> >>>>CO2 causes no warming of the earth. This is absolutely junk science. I >>>>apologize for even arguing about CO2. But it is a point that one can >>>>show the fraud of this entire movement of AGW. They will not give even >>>>an accurate evaluation of CO2 in the natural environment, as they >>>>likewise fudge and falsify each point of their theory. >>> >>> The scientific data on all greenhouse gases is >>> available on a number of edu and gov sites, but the Goofy Whackos >>> inconveniently ignore truth. >>> >>>>CO2 abatement is very energy costly. They hide these facts also, as it >>>>is a point of their propaganda to associate CO2 reduction to energy >>>>conservation, which are completely contradictory in reality. >>> >>> Tearing down and building all new has been a >>> common agenda of the far left for long before the AGW hoax was thought >>> up, they fail to appreciate the value and amount of work, materials and >>> energy required to rebuild. >>> This is evident in all aspects of the economy, >>> from low income federally funded apartment buildings that tenants trash >>> within 10 years which the liberal lawmakers have torn down and rebuilt >>> instead of training maintenance men to keep them in condition; >>> to public transport, where they rationalize having >>> right of way and equipment worth thousands of times what personal >>> vehicles cost to carry the same number of people. >> >>Cost is no object when you're spending someone else's money. Leftists >>always know how to spend your money better than you do, so they feel >>obligated to take it from you for your own good. But they always say >>they'll take it only from the rich, which is defined as everyone who >>makes more money than you do, and split the loot with you, if you'll vote >>for them. >> > Well, that's the basic operating principle of democracy, you buy votes > using voters money. > > Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool, > meron(a)cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same" Did you ever stop to wonder why politicians spend millions of dollars to get elected to a job that will never pay that much salary? My hunch is that the government has too much power, and they're selling it off to the highest bidder. Bill Ward |